Strange Windsor Pro
03-20-07, 06:42 PM
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Strange Windsor Pro
The bike gods (No offense Pastor Bob) were smiling on me today, found a red 22" Windsor Pro at a dollar store that never has ANYTHING but Magnas and Huffys. Pays to be stubborn, I guess. Don't know the esoteric parts as I don't see many fancy bikes around my blue collar town, and would appreciate any info from the experts here. Bike has some heavy duty chrome top Shimano track drop outs, a Campy pista crank with 49t Campy ring, KKT Pro Ace pedals, nice Shimano BB, unknown front brake, strange Weinmann rear brake, and Campy downtube shifter with the absolute cheapest SunTour rear der I hav ever seen..... One cable stop is Campy, one SunTour. Unmarked headset, really cool Gran Comp stem, SunTour Cyclone brake levers and Windsor drop bars. Front wheel is a Normandy hub dated 76 with generic spokes and a nice Weinmann concave 700c rim, rear is an unkown alloy hub on a Rigida AL rim. So what is this? A bastard stepchild of a track bike? The bike shop sticker is from Cyclery North in Chicago, which I hear was a pretty upscale place. How old is this? Worth keeping? I normally would ride a 24" frame, but my current steed is a 1980 Super Gran Prix, which is several steps (or floors maybe?) below this.
03-20-07, 06:50 PM
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Wow, interesting. Do you have a close-up of the track drops? I see a derailleur, how is it attached? If you have a true track frame you can get a heckuva a lot for it on eBay, that thing looks great to me. Campy pista cranks go for a couple hundred if they are in good shape. Score!
Here is a link to an old eBay auction for a bike that looks very similar to yours, judging from the seat cluster:
https://cgi.ebay.com/1974-WINDSOR-PRO...QQcmdZViewItem
Here is a link to an old eBay auction for a bike that looks very similar to yours, judging from the seat cluster:
https://cgi.ebay.com/1974-WINDSOR-PRO...QQcmdZViewItem
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The rear brake is a Weinmann Delta Pro. Mid-late '80s, as far as I know - Berto's '88 publication "Upgrading Your Bike" makes mention of it. Has a variable mechanical advantage adjustment on it, according to the book.
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HELLO!! Nice catch. It looks like an awesome street fixed gear! That is very strange and VERY VERY cool. Congrats on the find.
Edit: interesting looking seatpost. Is that a cinelli saddle?
Edit: interesting looking seatpost. Is that a cinelli saddle?
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If one does not mind a bit of elementary machining (mostly grinding), it's easy to hang a rear derailleur on a frame with track dropouts (been there ... done that with a Swedish Avanti and a SunTour V). The derailleur claw is mounted backward. If possible and convenient, grind a stop into what is now the rear-facing curve of the claw; if not, just tighten the derailleur mounting bolt, with a shim or two, if necessary. Works like a champ.
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03-20-07, 07:22 PM
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The saddle is leather, kinda worn, I think it says WINDSOR on the side. The seat post looks to measure just over 27mm on my calipers. I cleaned off the front brake, it has AGC 300 on it. It has to be the coolest little brake caliper I have ever seen. Also, here is a pic of the rear drops.
Originally Posted by cyclotoine
HELLO!! Nice catch. It looks like an awesome street fixed gear! That is very strange and VERY VERY cool. Congrats on the find.
Edit: interesting looking seatpost. Is that a cinelli saddle?
Edit: interesting looking seatpost. Is that a cinelli saddle?
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Heh.. we've heard of people converting road bikes to "Track" bikes, but I never heard of the other way around.. how strange and interesting, maybe it could be the new fad? Nice looking cycle!
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Originally Posted by Cerrig
I cleaned off the front brake, it has AGC 300 on it. It has to be the coolest little brake caliper I have ever seen.
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Looks like someone used all of his talent to put something together from spare parts laying around a shop.
03-20-07, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by divineAndbright
Heh.. we've heard of people converting road bikes to "Track" bikes, but I never heard of the other way around.. how strange and interesting, maybe it could be the new fad? ...
If you plan to keep the gears, as I would, I would definitely reverse that claw, to facilitate rear wheel removal, puncture repair, etc.
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03-20-07, 08:11 PM
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Bastard stepchild is right, but the frame is a Windsor Pro Track and if you want to flip it you have just what the market wants right now...vintage track iron. Those components make the weirdest gruppo I have ever seen, and I've assembled a lot of weird ones in my day. Funny that those Mexicans drilled a track frame for both F&R brakes, but it was funny times. Nice bike, and with that Campy Pista crank it's worth some big $$!
03-20-07, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Cerrig
...found a red 22" Windsor Pro at a dollar store that never has ANYTHING but Magnas and Huffys...
And based on the above quote, did you get it for a dollar?!?
03-20-07, 08:46 PM
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That's a high-dollar find by my standards, for sure... the cranks alone go for WELL over $200, frame will go at least that high...
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Amazing. Great find.
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$35. I was very, very lucky. I saw it at the bottom of a pile -- yes, I said pile -- of bikes and my heart started palpitating when I saw the Columbus sticker, sorry to say that was the first time I have ever seen one in person. I nearly wet myself when I saw the crank. The guy who runs the place was standing on top of the pile tossing bikes aside like cordwood to get to it. I've seen sides of beef treated more gently. I wanted to get up there with him and start tossing too, but I couldn't move my feet. I had to concentrate on breathing......
You gotta remember, I live in an old factory town, homey don't know 'bout what rich folks ride. You SoCal guys and big city boys get all the nice ones, I get Varsinentals to chew on.
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03-20-07, 09:35 PM
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Yup, find of the year so far, easily. Frame with those decals intact will hit +450$USD on eBay and the cranks at least 200$USD, nice.
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Funny thing that nobody has tried to stick a ton of Cinelli decals on this Windsor yet, considering that I've heard stories of fauxed-up Cinellis from Windsors - and this thing certainly DOES look like a Super Corsa copy...
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Originally Posted by Cerrig
The bike gods (No offense Pastor Bob) were smiling on me today, found a red 22" Windsor Pro at a dollar store that never has ANYTHING but Magnas and Huffys. Pays to be stubborn, I guess. Don't know the esoteric parts as I don't see many fancy bikes around my blue collar town, and would appreciate any info from the experts here. Bike has some heavy duty chrome top Shimano track drop outs, a Campy pista crank with 49t Campy ring, KKT Pro Ace pedals, nice Shimano BB, unknown front brake, strange Weinmann rear brake, and Campy downtube shifter with the absolute cheapest SunTour rear der I hav ever seen..... One cable stop is Campy, one SunTour. Unmarked headset, really cool Gran Comp stem, SunTour Cyclone brake levers and Windsor drop bars. Front wheel is a Normandy hub dated 76 with generic spokes and a nice Weinmann concave 700c rim, rear is an unkown alloy hub on a Rigida AL rim. So what is this? A bastard stepchild of a track bike? The bike shop sticker is from Cyclery North in Chicago, which I hear was a pretty upscale place. How old is this? Worth keeping? I normally would ride a 24" frame, but my current steed is a 1980 Super Gran Prix, which is several steps (or floors maybe?) below this.
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Originally Posted by Cerrig
The bike gods (No offense Pastor Bob) were smiling on me today....
My dump has turned up zippo since last fall. Can't wait until Spring cleaning begins in another month or so. Great find!
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Cool!
I'm fascinated by the way the seat stays are integrated into the seat fastener. I've never seen anything like that around here.
I'm fascinated by the way the seat stays are integrated into the seat fastener. I've never seen anything like that around here.
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Originally Posted by silversmith
Cool!
I'm fascinated by the way the seat stays are integrated into the seat fastener. I've never seen anything like that around here.
I'm fascinated by the way the seat stays are integrated into the seat fastener. I've never seen anything like that around here.
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
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Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
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"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
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Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
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Originally Posted by cudak888
Funny thing that nobody has tried to stick a ton of Cinelli decals on this Windsor yet, considering that I've heard stories of fauxed-up Cinellis from Windsors - and this thing certainly DOES look like a Super Corsa copy...
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
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Originally Posted by John E
You beat me to it, Kurt, but I had a similar thought ...
Flying C... Most tasteful mid-'80s decal scheme I've ever seen, IMHO - the Flying "C" logo scheme looks particularly stunning on a reddish-bronze machine...
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