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    Carradice saddle bags

    didn't know what forum to post this in, but since Carradice bags are "classic..."

    i'm looking at getting either a nelson, a nelson longflap, or a lowsaddle longflap. i've never seen any of these in person, so i need a little help here...
    - Would all three of these need a rack/support?
    - How low is a lowsaddle? I show about, well, 4-5in of seatpost.
    - Is the longflap actually bigger, or is it just a longer flap?

    I need a bag I can use on my commuter to basically carry a flat kit, a couple files, and a change of clothes... for track bike with no brazeons, this seems like a good solution.

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    None of them need a support. A lot depends on your frame size. I have a Nelson Longflap that will graze the rear tire on a 23" (58cm) frame if loaded with items that make it sag. Putting a plastic stiffener in the bottom corrects this. So does using fenders, or a support like a Bagman. Not an issue with 24" frames. The Lowsaddle is for smaller frame bikes, like less than 22".

    The long flap is darn handy. It stays tucked back most of its life but on the day you want to carry two or four more things, you just extend the flap and use the second set of straps and you're still in business.

    Search on "Bagman QR" to hear different opinions on supports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chimblysweep
    I need a bag I can use on my commuter to basically carry a flat kit, a couple files, and a change of clothes... for track bike with no brazeons, this seems like a good solution.
    I use a Carradice Barley (the little green one) and an SQR setup myself, for much the same purpose. Toolkit goes in a roll of waterproof material at the bottom of the metal frame in the picture, tied on with a toestrap. It sort of helps push out the base/bottom of the Barley without actually supporting it, which gives you an idea of relative sizes. You can probably get away with 3-4" of seatpost with the SQR, and with the smaller Carradices everything will almost certainly be clear of the rear wheel and/or mudguards. It carries the bag high up. The downside is that the metal bit which attaches to the bag is quite heavy and awkward off the bike. The Barley probably isn't big enough for two A4 files and spare clothes, although you'd be surprised how much you can cram into and lash onto these things.

    Carradice's Bagman QR is another smart-looking system that looks as though it'll do the Right Thing. I don't know very much about this model though, save that the newer ones are QR and come with bag loops. Probably a better choice if you're going for a vintage look with a large bag.

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    so, i ride a teeny 48 cm frame. sounds like the Barley or the Lowsaddle are the best bet...
    I'll check out the SQR, but i'd prefer no rack. Sounds like it's not an option though.

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    The vital figure for the SQR is the vertical distance between the top of the seatpost (minus saddle) to the top of your wheel/mudguard. It's about 15cm in my case, and I don't need a rack with the Barley. The SQR contrives to keep the mouth of the bag at a nice angle for loading, far better than just lashing it to the saddle loops and seatpost.

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    Barley mounted on SQR. If you have multiple bikes, SQR is the way to go.

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    I saw this Acorn bag on ebay with a buy-it-now price of $65. Never heard of the maker, but it looks very nice. And the price was right. Someone snatched it up pretty quick. Anyone know anything about Acorn bags?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...4726&rd=1&rd=1

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    Barley Bag with the Bagman Support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skinny
    I picked up a Barley for 200k & 300k randonnees. When I got it, I said, man, this thing is smaller than I thought it would be, but I stuffed it with paper, and kept turning it over and over in my hands and thought, you know, this is just the right size. It will be going on this bike. That bag on it is an old Brooks, roughly the size of a Longflap, a bit big for 1 day trips. The support is an old Park support, no longer available, but I have seen them on ebay.
    I have one of the Park supports, there is a very good version of it available now from Rivendell. It is called the Silver Loop and works better than the original.

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    That would be the silver hupe whereof you speak?

    The support is more of an oval and doesn't spread out under the bag as wide as the original Park, so I can't see how it would be better. What were you thinking?

    Park made two models of this, the one for large frames, which I have, and the one for small frames, which was aluminum.

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    interesting stuff... i eyeing the rivendell hoop. that might just work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chimblysweep
    interesting stuff... i eyeing the rivendell hoop. that might just work.

    It works very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noah Scape
    I saw this Acorn bag on ebay with a buy-it-now price of $65. Never heard of the maker, but it looks very nice. And the price was right. Someone snatched it up pretty quick. Anyone know anything about Acorn bags?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...4726&rd=1&rd=1
    Huh.. i saw that last night, was tempted, thought i'd sleep on it, and this morning it's gone!

    Nice looking design, and a good price (considering what Carradice/Frost River/etc cost)..

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    Quote Originally Posted by robo
    Huh.. i saw that last night, was tempted, thought i'd sleep on it, and this morning it's gone!
    Me too!

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    Hi,
    the Barley's kinda small for a change of clothes. I have one and like it a lot, but it ain't big.
    Look at the Lowsaddle. You will need a Bagman support as well.

    Hmm, be aware that the bag will wind up higher than the saddle. You might want to look into
    panniers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by late
    Hi, the Barley's kinda small for a change of clothes. .
    I think you may be right. With shoes, pants, shirt, undies, etc..., possible toiletries and maybe rain gear, the Barley may be a tight squeeze. The Barley is 7 liters, the Junior is 9L, the Pendle is 11L, the Nelson Saddlebag is 14L, the College is 15L, and the Nelson Longflap is 18L. So the Pendle is ~50% bigger than the Barley and the Nelson Saddlebag is 100% bigger than the Barley.

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    It's more than a tight squeeze. The main compartment is just big enough for a pair of tennis shoes and a cable lock (my load for riding to the gym). I can't imagine getting a full change of clothes and shoes in it.

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    the pendle might be my solution then. i'm worried about the height of the nelson bags. i think i only have 21cm of clearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chimblysweep
    the pendle might be my solution then. i'm worried about the height of the nelson bags. i think i only have 21cm of clearance.
    You will need a Bagman or something like it to keep the bag off the tire. At that point
    you will have a bag higher than the saddle, I think. If you are flexible, it may not be a problem.
    But it would be one for me.

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    I contacted the guy on eBay selling the Acorn bag, and he said he should have a few more in a few days.. his wife is a seamstress and she is making them, which is pretty cool.

    It does look like something of a Barley bag copy (seems like everybody is copying each other.. Grant Petersen and Frost River seem to have an ongoing dispute over who designed what, except that the same designs were around 80 years ago ), but i like the fact that the material is grey, as a green bag would look funny on my bike and black seems like it would get very hot in the sun.

    Also, the price is a bit better than Carradice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chimblysweep
    the pendle might be my solution then. i'm worried about the height of the nelson bags. i think i only have 21cm of clearance.
    I have a Pendle that I use when I need to haul a bit more than the Barley can handle. It will fit a change of clothes and a light jacket easily...shoes are another story...of course I wear size 13 boats.

    I highly recommend going with a bagman support or at least the SQR. The SQR puts the bag higher and at a better angle...the bagman provides better support and less flopping around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chimblysweep
    interesting stuff... i eyeing the rivendell hoop. that might just work.
    With the close clearances you have on your 48cm frame, be certain to ask Rivendell if their hupe will work on a frame that small. As I mentioned, Park made one specifically for small frames, but you would only be able to find one by chance on ebay. I've seen them though. Good luck.

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    I have 2 carradice bags The Barley and a Nelson Longflap.

    the barley I use for fun rides when I only need to stash wallet, cell phone tools ...

    the nelson Nelson long flap is what I use for commuting it holds a ton of stuff and the long flap comes in very handy I use it suprisingly often.

    My bike is a 50 CM cross check and I have a rack on the back. without the rack the nelson would hang too low from the loops in the brooks.

    I Do have a homemade Hack I use on all my bikes so I can use either bag in seconds, I might just make the bag mount on the cross check a bit taller so I can get rid of rack.

    I thought id use the rack alot for other things But I havnt used it yet it just supports the carradice.

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    I just ordered one of the next batch of the (Barley bag style) Acorn bags directly from the guy... should be here in a week or so.

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    I just received the Acorn bag today. It's very nicely made indeed.

    One thing is that the fabric is a very nice thick soft cotton, but it is _not_ waxed, so it is not going to be waterproof. Not sure if the Carradice bags are waxed. My Frost River bag was, though. This bag did come with a rain cover though.

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