Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-02-03, 07:42 AM   #1
jcivic00
keep moving forward...
Thread Starter
 
jcivic00's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: NRH
Bikes: 2009 Motobecane Fantom CX
Posts: 403
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Parts with holes in em!

Hey guys I just acquired an old ??? road bike. No Idea what year or who makes it. I was giving it a good once over (ie stripping it) and found the componentry quite interesting. The front and rear derailleur have holes drilled into them for decorative purposes I would imagine. I would Like to know some info on this particular group if anyone can help. The rear der. says eagle on it. BTW I got another bike with a rear der that has skylark stamped on it. Both are marked as Shimano components.
jcivic00 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-03, 09:28 AM   #2
MichaelW
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: England
Bikes:
Posts: 12,927
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
There was a fashion in the mid 1970s for drilling out components to save weight. Then someone discovered aerodynamics.

On a no-name bike, check out the style of the rear dropouts (axle slots). Pressed steel means a cheap sports bike. A thicker more complex shape means an investment-cast component. Also, check for more intricate lugs with curves and cutouts
eg
http://www.henryjames.com/productlug.html#road

. This is a good indicator of some quality.
MichaelW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-03, 09:56 AM   #3
lotek
Forum Admin
 
lotek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: n.w. superdrome
Bikes: 1 trek, serotta, rih, de Reus, Pogliaghi and finally a Zieleman! and got a DeRosa
Posts: 17,710
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Those components were called "Drillium" for
obvious reasons. The idea was they saved weight,
sometimes they actually kept all their structural integrity
too.
Here's a picture of a magazine article (Bicycle Guide?)
about drillium, with some neat photos.

Marty
__________________
Sono più lento di quel che sembra.
Odio la gente, tutti.


Want to upgrade your membership? Click Here.
lotek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-03, 10:02 AM   #4
lotek
Forum Admin
 
lotek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: n.w. superdrome
Bikes: 1 trek, serotta, rih, de Reus, Pogliaghi and finally a Zieleman! and got a DeRosa
Posts: 17,710
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Ok, I just went back and reread the initial post
(after getting all excited about the drillium).
I'd say this is a good quality frame.

Couple of questions about it.
1) Is there a serial number on it? (under bottom bracket).
2) Is the bottom bracket cut out? if yes what pattern if
any? i.e. clover leaf, ovals etc.
3) Are the lugs cut out? If so what patterns or if not
cut out are they patterned, like a keyhole in it? if so
probably Nervex Pro lugs.
4) Are there any markings on the tops of either
the seatstays or on the fork crown?
5)Are the fork blades stamped (etched) with any symbol
(dove = Columbus tubing).
6)Campy B1010 dropouts?

let us know, I love a good mystery.

Marty
__________________
Sono più lento di quel che sembra.
Odio la gente, tutti.


Want to upgrade your membership? Click Here.
lotek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-03, 10:57 PM   #5
jcivic00
keep moving forward...
Thread Starter
 
jcivic00's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: NRH
Bikes: 2009 Motobecane Fantom CX
Posts: 403
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Ok here's the deal. The lugs aren't much to look at, pretty straight at the BB shell area, a little bit of decorative cutwork at the seat and head tube. No stamping or markings of any kind. The seat stays look either brazed or welded to the seat tube lug. There's a few places that say patent pending and made in Germany, I know that's no help, just thought I'd throw it in. Stronglight cranks, brakes have had any i.d. wiped off over years of use. The der.'s seem to be Shimano Eagle?? But anyway, I wish I had a digicam so I could get some pics put up.
jcivic00 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-03, 08:40 AM   #6
lotek
Forum Admin
 
lotek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: n.w. superdrome
Bikes: 1 trek, serotta, rih, de Reus, Pogliaghi and finally a Zieleman! and got a DeRosa
Posts: 17,710
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Pat Pending and Made In Germany
is this on frame or on Parts? (I'd be surprized if
its on frame, somehow Pat Pending just don't sound
German .
From what it sounds like I would venture to say
it was someones private attempt at 70's drilling craze.
The fancy parts (like the peace sign RD above) were
works of art.
are there any markings on the fork? headtube badge etc.
I really can't recall any German Bike manufactures
(CR lists a few but nothing newer than 1950s pictured).

Marty
__________________
Sono più lento di quel che sembra.
Odio la gente, tutti.


Want to upgrade your membership? Click Here.
lotek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-03, 08:44 AM   #7
jcivic00
keep moving forward...
Thread Starter
 
jcivic00's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: NRH
Bikes: 2009 Motobecane Fantom CX
Posts: 403
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Found out the components are Shimano Eagle GTO Sounds weird right, well they're EXTREMELY rare, but I just called the guy I got the bike from, he says it's schwinn, but I don't see any markings whatsoever on it. Is there any where else that there might be something stamped\? I've looked all over, and nothing. Oh, It has stronglight cranks made of aluminum, don't know if that helps, but any way to pull these off? I have a crank extractor, but it's too small. do they make larger ones?
jcivic00 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-03, 09:23 AM   #8
jcivic00
keep moving forward...
Thread Starter
 
jcivic00's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: NRH
Bikes: 2009 Motobecane Fantom CX
Posts: 403
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
found a number on the bracket for the kickstand. Number is 15334
jcivic00 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-03, 04:08 AM   #9
mike
Senior Member
 
mike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Snowy midwest
Bikes:
Posts: 5,392
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I would like to know more about the Shimano Eagle derailures too. I have a couple of them and wondered as well.

For the record, my Eagle derailures don't have holes drilled in them, so your's may have been a home-job.
mike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-03, 07:35 AM   #10
lotek
Forum Admin
 
lotek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: n.w. superdrome
Bikes: 1 trek, serotta, rih, de Reus, Pogliaghi and finally a Zieleman! and got a DeRosa
Posts: 17,710
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally posted by jcivic00
The seat stays look either brazed or welded to the seat tube lug.
Fillet brazed?
guy said it was a schwinn? Paramount?
I wouldn't expect to find drilled components on a low
or mid end bike.
Either racer or serious racer wannabe would do that, a
true weight weenie's weight weenie.
let me dig around on this one. . .
and the Eagle GTO stuff
Marty
__________________
Sono più lento di quel che sembra.
Odio la gente, tutti.


Want to upgrade your membership? Click Here.
lotek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-03, 10:10 AM   #11
don d.
Guest
 
Bikes:
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Tagged: Thread(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
Quote:
Originally posted by lotek
Are the fork blades stamped (etched) with any symbol
(dove = Columbus tubing).
6)Campy B1010 dropouts?

let us know, I love a good mystery.

Marty
You are hot on the trail!

Just a quick note on Shimano Eagle Derailleurs, they were used on pretty much the bottom line bikes during the bike boom. The GTO was the long cage variety.

See http://list.bidders.co.jp/item/14935722 for photo id.

Sorry I came in on this late but it was going so far afield I had to jump in.

don(I was there)d.
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-03, 11:34 AM   #12
Walter
SLJ 6/8/65-5/2/07
 
Walter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: SE Florida, USA aka the Treasure Coast
Bikes:
Posts: 5,391
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Before Don posted I too was thinking that Eagle was pretty lowline stuff. I seem to remember trying to get one to work on a dep't store bike a friend owned sometime in the late 70s.

Also the reference to a kickstand eliminates, I'm pretty sure, the possibility of a Paramount. The German designation puzzles me too. Schwinns were made in either the US or Asia so far as I know.
__________________
“Life is not one damned thing after another. Life is one damned thing over and over.”
Edna St. Vincent Millay
Walter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-03, 11:40 AM   #13
don d.
Guest
 
Bikes:
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Tagged: Thread(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
Weinman brakes/rims were German.
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-03, 01:14 AM   #14
mike
Senior Member
 
mike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Snowy midwest
Bikes:
Posts: 5,392
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally posted by don d.
You are hot on the trail!

Just a quick note on Shimano Eagle Derailleurs, they were used on pretty much the bottom line bikes during the bike boom. The GTO was the long cage variety.

See http://list.bidders.co.jp/item/14935722 for photo id.

Sorry I came in on this late but it was going so far afield I had to jump in.

don(I was there)d.
Thanks for the reference to the Japanese auction site.

It is interesting to note what the Japanese Auction contributor had to say, "This is the original Shimano Eagle model GT 50. The guard differs from the model GT 51. The GT 51 was designed for cost savings and had many holes. It is mostly junk (the author may have been refering to the condition of the item being auctioned iwith this statement)". Price 1,700 yen = about US$15.00

mike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-03, 06:23 AM   #15
Walter
SLJ 6/8/65-5/2/07
 
Walter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: SE Florida, USA aka the Treasure Coast
Bikes:
Posts: 5,391
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
That lools alot like the lowline Shimano derailleurs I remember from department store 10 speeds in the 70s. Heavy and chromed with the holes as well. They don't really work that well at all.

Don, I know the origins of Weinmann, though to be honest I thought they were Swiss. I thought the original pst mentioned the German designation was on the frame which I still can't reconcile with Schwinn.
__________________
“Life is not one damned thing after another. Life is one damned thing over and over.”
Edna St. Vincent Millay
Walter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-03, 07:00 AM   #16
don d.
Guest
 
Bikes:
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Tagged: Thread(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
Quote:
Originally posted by Walter
Don, I know the origins of Weinmann, though to be honest I thought they were Swiss.
Es Verdad, the man behind the curtain, Sheldon Brown lists them as a Swiss/Belgium co.
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-03, 10:46 PM   #17
jcivic00
keep moving forward...
Thread Starter
 
jcivic00's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: NRH
Bikes: 2009 Motobecane Fantom CX
Posts: 403
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
well no matter guys and thanks for all the help. The bike was unfortunately a complete POS once we striped the paint, the rest of the frame seemed to crumble in our hands, apparently the paint was holding the whole thing together. Not worth the investment. Thanks again, You learn something new every day.
jcivic00 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-03, 11:52 PM   #18
don d.
Guest
 
Bikes:
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Tagged: Thread(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
...and I was hoping this post was going to tell us about the little dove you found etched in the fork.

Oh well

Better luck next time
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-03, 04:31 AM   #19
bikerchas55
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Sweeeeeden
Bikes:
Posts: 110
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Any "racer" bike with an integral kickstand is hardly worth the effort of dismantling. Schwinn Varsitys maintain somewhat of a cult following but otherwise it's garage sale garbage, definitely not a serious bike. Sorry to pop your tires.
bikerchas55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-03, 12:26 PM   #20
stumpjumper
Lagomorph Demonicus
 
stumpjumper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Dayton, Ohio, USA
Bikes:
Posts: 791
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Actually, some 'good' bikes has integral kickstands (not many though.) Early 70's schwinn Supersports had integtal kickstands, some had the Eagle components (although most had the schwinn Sprint stuff).

Of course they also had nice (for schwinn) hand-fillet braised 4130 cromo frames that were made in the paramont shop in chicago before they joined the general assembly line for paint and assembly.

In other words, it could have been a find at one time despite the kickstand. Too bad the frame fell apart on you
stumpjumper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-03, 08:17 PM   #21
MKRG
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: by a big river
Bikes:
Posts: 2,459
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Anyone ever heard of a bike from a company called Azuki? Found it for $15 at a garage sale. It also has Shimano Eagle derailers.
MKRG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-03, 08:36 PM   #22
MKRG
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: by a big river
Bikes:
Posts: 2,459
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Maybe this will rattle someone's memory...
MKRG is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:35 PM.