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Old 07-03-07, 08:51 AM   #1
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Razesa!

This was donated to the bike coop where I work. It fits, and though I really don't need it, but I really really want it. It's kinda rough and rusty and a total mongrel, but a beautiful frame with lots of nice-very nice mismatched parts. I'm not sure what it's worth, but I'm thinking of a frame and a complete bike that I've been sitting on that should come close to making a fair trade, along with a few other things from my cache of nice parts.

Here's what it's got:
Nicely detailed frame: cutouts, and pantographed seatstays and fork, but rusty. Columbus stickers are too damaged to identify exact tubeset. Capmy dropouts
Mismatched tubulars: Mavic GP4 Front with Gipiemme hub Wolber Super Champion rear with Shimano hub
Tires are functional, but need replacing.
Drivetrain: 6 Speed Dura ace downtube shifters with DA RD, and Suntour Cyclone FD, 11-19 freewheel, Campy G.S. crank
Brakes: Diacompe Aero levers with Unidentified front Aero looking caliper, and older Campy Rear.
Cinelle Stem, and bars
Zuess headset
Dura Ace Seatpost
Turbo Saddle
Mavic Clipless road pedals (not pictured)
weight 20.5 pounds as pictured

Anything anyone can tell me about the brand, the bike, and/or estimated value would be appreciated.





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Old 07-03-07, 09:16 AM   #2
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http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Spain/Razesa.htm

Looks like a decent bike with decent components. I'd keep it and clean it.

Have no idea on the value, but some elbow grease should make it very presentable.
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Old 07-03-07, 09:16 AM   #3
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That's a nice bike with nice components. Take it!

Razesa is spanish. It's related (I think) to the Zeus brand. A tune up/test ride will tell if the components are good. Rust on the chrome is a bummer but perhaps steel wool and some acid (coke?) will help.
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Old 07-03-07, 09:35 AM   #4
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Yeah, Razesa was the builder of most bikes sold as Zeus, and they are very nice Spanish bikes. This one deserves a good soak in oxalic acid and touch-up. Probably will ride just fine with all the mis-matched parts, but could be upgraded, too. I'd guess it's Columbus SL, grab it and treat it right.
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It rides just fine as pictured. The parts that need to match in order to work properly do. All I did as put the wheels on, tweak the RD and rear brake, and put air in the tires and lube the chain.

The only problems are the rear tire which is lumpy, and the BB needs repacking at the very least as it feels a little lumpy which is quite noticeable with everything else on this bike feeling so smooth. and the lowest gear feels I don't know "crunchy"? I'm not sure what the cause of that might be. Maybe just an indexing issue.

Unfortunately a lot of rust is under the paint, and the decals are quite fragile. I don't really want to repaint it since I like how it looks now, so I guess I'll just clean it up the best I can being careful not to do further damage.
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Thats an awesome looking bike, and great color! I'd also imagine its columbus SL seeing that it has campy drop outs, its a high quality bike and its amazing you got it free?

If the wheels are lumpy I'd guess its either cause the rims are outta true, or maybe its just the actual tires from sitting unmoved for years. Spin the wheels and examine em. Its a ride worth getting new tires for anyway, enjoy!
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Thats an awesome looking bike, and great color! I'd also imagine its columbus SL seeing that it has campy drop outs, its a high quality bike and its amazing you got it free?

If the wheels are lumpy I'd guess its either cause the rims are outta true, or maybe its just the actual tires from sitting unmoved for years. Spin the wheels and examine em. Its a ride worth getting new tires for anyway, enjoy!
No I didn't get it free, it was donated to the Bike coop, and I'll be sure to make a fair trade in bikes and parts for it, which is part of why I'm interested in getting a realistic sense of the value.

The wheels aren't lumpy, there is a visible bulge in the rear tire. the front is fine, but they are both quite old and dry and need replacing.

I think the hub is actually an early DA cassette hub as it has a little bulge on the drive side. It makes an awesome ticking noise! Buzzes like a pissed off bumblebee when coasting.
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Take it! some acid coke? will help.
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If you are looking for a fair value for a bike you are going to ride, I would say somewhere around $125. I may be way off, because there are some nice bits there, but I could still sleep at night offering/trading $125
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Very nice, I love my Razesa----the ride is aggresive and the handling superb. I too would guess a higher end tubing frameset, maybe SL or SLX. Mine is SLX and has the cable running through the top-tube.

Razesa is a small boutique company that was contracted by Zues to make their higher end frame sets, something like the Litespeed-made "Treks" that Lance rode. Someone told me that Indurain rode a Razesa when he was a junior but I don't know this for sure. They still exist and make some awesome products at www.Razesa.com

Here's mine, these photos are old, the bars have changed a lot








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Here's an update. I've been riding this thing around today and yesterday, and I really am in love with it. A new chain took care of the grumbling in the drivetrain. The old one was significantly stretched. I took it on a quick 5 mile loop including pavement and a dirt road, and it performed beautifully. I wanted to take it on a real ride, but I don't trust the tires. Maybe I'm over reacting, but they seem like a couple of ticking time bombs on an otherwise very solid bike.

SO I think I've determined to simply replace the tires. Currently it's got a Clement Futrox on the front, and A Gommitallia Champion on the rear. The one on the front has significantly cracked rubber, and the sidewalls look dry, and the backing cloth is fraying, but it's probably fairly sound for now. THe rear is more worrisome the rubber looke fine, but it has visible lumps under the rubber and the sidewalls look about ready to fray. I think it's pretty clear the casing fabric is about ready to start coming apart on me.

My inclination is to spend $30-$40 to replace the tires with new tires that are similar to the ones on there, but a lot of people on this forum seem to warn against buying inexpensive tubulars. So I wonder how much improvement I would have from spending $80 on Gomittalia Espressos. The bike is a very nice well abused race bike, and I love the way it rides, but I am never going to race it, so what are the real benefits I will see from spending $80 on tires. I've never spent anywhere near $80 on a pair of tires, and doing so on a bike which is essentially a very lovely beater seems counter intuitive. Maybe I should be posting the question in my tubulars thread, but over there people seemed to be saying I should be spending $60 a tire for tubulars, and I wonder if they really understood the question.

My other option of course is to re-lace the rear hub to a clincher rim and run clinchers, but I think I'm inclined to run it just like it is for now. Maybe down the road I'll start upgrading to more modern components, but for now I think I'm better off just riding it as it is, and getting a feel for what I like about it and what I don't before I get to excited about changing things. So whatcha think. Should I invest in good tubies, or spend $30 on Clement Futrox, or Gomitallia Champions?
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Miguelón with his Tour winner Razesa:
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Miguelón with his Tour winner Razesa
His is prettier than mine
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Miguelón with his Tour winner Razesa:
Whoa! He won a TDF on a Razesa? I've always associated Indurain with Pinarello, I guess this photo is from one of his earlier wins, before Pinarello sponsered him. I didn't think it was possible to like my Razesa more but now that it has a racing history.....wow!

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He only used Razesa the season he won his first Tour. Most of his career was associated with Pinarello.
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here is my razesa, a Spanish brand, in the 80´s they made frames for zeus and maybe BH too. They won a Tour with Banesto and Indurain ( both Indurain and Razesa are from Navarra, in the north of Spain ) Now is a small company, they got troubles in the 90´s and now make track frames, and taylor made frames and bikes.
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Major blast from the past.
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