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    what is campy

    ok,
    at the risk of sounding like a total moron...
    WTH is Campy?
    I see it all the time, but I have not been able to pick up what it means....

    Thanks.

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    Your'e joking right? This is a trick question?

    Campy=Campagnolo=The King of fine Italian Components
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    Short for Campagnolo. Italian component manufacturer. Pioneeered the modern parralellogram derailleur design.

    http://campagnolo.com/home.php

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    It's easier to type Campy than it is to remember how to spell Campagnolo

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    From Websters:

    Main Entry: 3camp
    Function: noun
    Etymology: origin unknown
    Date: circa 1909

    a: something so outrageously artificial, affected, inappropriate, or out-of-date as to be considered amusing b: a style or mode of personal or creative expression that is absurdly exaggerated and often fuses elements of high and popular culture <a movie that celebrates camp>


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    Quote Originally Posted by miamijim
    Pioneeered the modern parralellogram derailleur design.
    Almost all my bikes are Campy but Suntour was the modern "slant parallelogram's" father.

    Quote Originally Posted by sunset for suntour
    1964 - Invention of the slant parallelogram rear derailleur

    Nobuo Ozaki, the head of Product Development at Maeda, invented the slant parallelogram rear derailleur in 1964 and Maeda obtained worldwide patents on the design.

    This was a significant invention. The jockey pulley tracked the angle of the freewheel sprockets and maintained a nearly constant distance (chain gap) between the jockey pulley and the sprocket. For the next twenty years, SunTour produced technically superior derailleurs. SunTour's slant parallelogram broke the image of Japanese components being cheap copies of European components.

    SunTour had good patent attorneys and they vigorously defended the slant parallelogram design. All of the major derailleur makers incorporated slant parallelograms when the patent expired in 1984.
    You will also see Campagnolo referred to as Campa and Campag across the pond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vpiuva
    Almost all my bikes are Campy but Suntour was the modern "slant parallelogram's" father.


    Yes, SunTour or Shimano (don't mean to argue that point, sorry!) for the SLANT parallelogram, but Campagnolog pioneered a design that did not slant, starting I think in the '50s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattface
    It's easier to type Campy than it is to remember how to spell Campagnolo
    And most people don't know how to pronounce it properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Road Fan
    Yes, SunTour or Shimano (don't mean to argue that point, sorry!) for the SLANT parallelogram, but Campagnolog pioneered a design that did not slant, starting I think in the '50s.
    Not Suntour or Shimano - Suntour. They patented it, and were the only people to make them for around 10 years. When the patent ran out, that's when Suntour started to run out of steam.

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    What is Campy? Usually incredibly expensive, fine working bicycle components. Back in the 60's and 70's their stuff was usually head and shoulders above anybody else. This started to deteriorate with the full court press of Japanese (SunTour and Shimano) components, and had definitely disappeared by 1984 when Shimano brought out the Dura-Ace 7400-series.

    Campagnolo continues to thrive (unlike ALL their former European competition) due to a combination of quality, staying technologically at least equal to Shimano (and occasionally getting ahead for a little while), and, above all . . . . . . . the snob value!!!!!!!!!!!

    When you ride Campagnolo, you ride with your nose slightly in the air - when you ride Campagnolo on a Masi frame, you're probably an insufferable prig who should be run off the road .
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    Quote Originally Posted by sykerocker
    ...When you ride Campagnolo, you ride with your nose slightly in the air - when you ride Campagnolo on a Masi frame, you're probably an insufferable prig who should be run off the road .
    ...but if you ride Campagnolo on an Electro Forged Schwinn Continental frame, you're a fool who has too much time on his hands and knows how to find good bargains on ebay.
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    Classic campy on an elctro forged Schwinn. Love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sykerocker
    above all . . . . . . . the snob value!!!!!!!!!!!
    Quite true.
    While once innovative and a mark of superior quality, Campy has been skating on their name for 30 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh
    ...but if you ride Campagnolo on an Electro Forged Schwinn Continental frame, you're a fool who has too much time on his hands and knows how to find good bargains on ebay.
    I love it.

    I'd love it even more if it was on a bright yellow Varsity - none of this high class Continental stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JunkYardBike
    And most people don't know how to pronounce it properly.
    I can pronounce Campagnolo alright, at least with my American accent - it's all the other names they use like Record, Chorus, Centaur, Xenon (I think I can figure out Veloce and Mirage as the former is clearly Italian and the later the same more or less in French or English)? They don't seem Italian. Are they pronounced in the French fashion or the English? Or does it depend on how snobby you are? Anybody out there Italian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sykerocker
    I love it.

    I'd love it even more if it was on a bright yellow Varsity - none of this high class Continental stuff.
    I could always swap out those Campy bits and hang them on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greybeard87
    From Websters:

    Main Entry: campy
    Function: noun
    Etymology: origin unknown
    Date: circa 1909

    a: something so outrageously artificial, affected, inappropriate, or out-of-date as to be considered amusing b: a style or mode of personal or creative expression that is absurdly exaggerated and often fuses elements of high and popular culture <a movie that celebrates camp>


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    Actually Campy is Gumby's cousin

    I think you'll have a hard time getting that Record crankset on that Varsity's Ashtabula BB.

    Back then we called it sh!tmano

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    Quote Originally Posted by vpiuva
    Almost all my bikes are Campy but Suntour was the modern "slant parallelogram's" father.



    You will also see Campagnolo referred to as Campa and Campag across the pond.
    I wonder how many patent loopholes Campagnolo had to find to introduce the rally rear derailleur

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    Quote Originally Posted by cadillacmike68
    I wonder how many patent loopholes Campagnolo had to find to introduce the rally rear derailleur
    Hmmm..that's an interesting question. Didn't it go from an original slant parallelogram design back to a standard parallelogram that was just a NR with a longer cage? I read somewhere it was because customers wanted the NR design which was popular at the time but I wonder if there were threats of lawsuits or something that drove that? Either way I still want one. Either one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kommisar89
    Hmmm..that's an interesting question. Didn't it go from an original slant parallelogram design back to a standard parallelogram that was just a NR with a longer cage? I read somewhere it was because customers wanted the NR design which was popular at the time but I wonder if there were threats of lawsuits or something that drove that? Either way I still want one. Either one
    You're right - it did!

    The Catalog 17 (1974) has the slant pantograph design while the Catalog 18 (1985) has a Nuovo Record type body with a longer cage. Most of the internal parts were the same between the two models though..


    hmmmmmmm???

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    Quote Originally Posted by cadillacmike68
    You're right - it did!

    The Catalog 17 (1974) has the slant pantograph design while the Catalog 18 (1985) has a Nuovo Record type body with a longer cage. Most of the internal parts were the same between the two models though..


    hmmmmmmm???
    Actually it was not a slant parallogram, if it copied anyone it was Shimano (such as the Crane, early Dura-Ace and DA EX) prior to the 7400 series. The later version of the Rally was of questionable merit, lighter than the first version, but not a lot else going for it.

    While "campy" is lingo for Campagnolo in the USA, Folk from Great Britian I have met such as Bob Jackson use the term "campag".

    So it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cadillacmike68
    Actually Campy is Gumby's cousin

    I think you'll have a hard time getting that Record crankset on that Varsity's Ashtabula BB.

    Back then we called it sh!tmano
    The Continental had the same set-up as the Varsity. Install one FMF adapter and a Shimano cartridge BB, and your good to go! Who says you can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear?


    (You can see the FMF adapter peeking out behind the crankset in this picture.)

    Quote Originally Posted by repechage
    ...The later version of the Rally was of questionable merit, lighter than the first version, but not a lot else going for it.
    I've read this same opinion about the newer Rally RDs, the ones which look like a Nuovo Record with a really long cage, but I have to disagree from experience. I wonder who came up with that idea? I have one on my Paramount and it shifts just fine. I can't say I have any complaints. I wish the picture showed the RD better.
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    to cadilacmike68 you are right, the first campagnolo rallys were copies of shimanos crane gs. shimano called their rear derailleur servo pantagraph which was an improvement to a simplex design.

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