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Old 07-18-07, 08:30 PM   #1
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a few questions about Fuji S10-S

I came home with this bike tonight. A friend that knows i mess with bikes brought it over to show me. I have been riding a Fuji hybrid for the last few years, and have been toying with the idea of getting a road bike to mix in for my rides, so i was happy to see this.

Here are the specs i wrote down before putting it away,,, i really wanted to tear right into cleaning it up.
Fuji S10-S. Decal at the top of the seat tube says "Fuji Double Butted Hi-Tension Tubing 881." It has the Fuji stickers on each fork leg.

Serial # on bottom of BB - 77B04602
Chain rings - Sugino 52 Japan and Sugino 42 Japan
Cranks -Cast on outside "Fiji". On inside "Forged 171 Japan G-2"
Rims - Ujai 27x1 1/4 w/o LA
Hubs front and rear - Sunshine Gyromaster Japan 2 77
Tires, doubt that these are original - Schwinn S6 or K2 Rim 27x1 1/4
Quick release levers - Sunshine
RD - Suntour Vx
FD - Suntour SL
Shift levers - Suntour Power
Dropouts - Suntour GT
Brakes - Dia-Compe

OK, i have wanted a road bike, so this will be a cheap way for me to try one out i think. I paid 10.00 for this. My questions are - what kind of bike is this? Is it decent enough to warrant a complete disassembly to clean and polish up? Half of the cables are frozen. It sure feels light compared to my hybrid with my pack on it. The tires are low, but are holding air.

The bars and shift levers cannot be the original ones, they look like they came off some cheap mtb. Can anyone tell me what type of bars and levers were original to this bike? I like to keep things stock, so i would like to get back as close to original.

Same goes for the seat - what type was original to the bike, although if i keep it to ride and i like it, i will be buying my third Brooks.

And finally the head badge. The red paint is coming off. This is a metal badge rivited to the bike. Any ideas of how to restore this? I suppose it could just be painted, but it seems like it was some type of red plastic sort of material in there.

Thats it for now. I regret that i will be out of town tomorrow, as i am just itching to get to work on this one. Any comments or suggestions will be appreciated. TIA
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Old 07-18-07, 08:39 PM   #2
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Right off the bat, I say you scored a righteous machine. I got one a few weeks ago from a neighbor, and had to put brakes and a seat on to even ride it. Then I fell in love. It's quick, smooth, quiet, and sturdy; very much worth your time IMHO. BTW, the s/n tells me it's a 1977 model. I think it had alloy rims and handlebars, as well as Dia-Compe brakes. I've seen pics of both center and side-pull brakes on these bikes.
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I got my brother one that was identical to yours at a thrift store (only it had the original drop bars on it). It was a very nice bike after fixing it up. Not super light for a road bike- due to the hi-tensile steel frame, but a very worthy ride nonetheless. The bike is definitely worth fixing up if you want to ride it. My brothers had steel rims, which you might want to replace with alloy for better stopping if that is the case.
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i have wanted a road bike, so this will be a cheap way for me to try one out i think. I paid 10.00 for this. My questions are - what kind of bike is this? Is it decent enough to warrant a complete disassembly to clean and polish up?
Hi-ten is entry-level tubing, but the components seem decent enough. I think for $10, this is definitely worth cleaning and polishing, although it will be a labor of love and learning.


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And finally the head badge. The red paint is coming off. This is a metal badge rivited to the bike. Any ideas of how to restore this? I suppose it could just be painted, but it seems like it was some type of red plastic sort of material in there.
I haven't seen one in person, but have seen lots of pics. Based on the pics, I think it's cloisonne, and I have no idea how to restore cloisonne. Anybody?

EDIT: From reading the article on cloisonne, you would need to find a cloisonne artist to do the restoration, I think. Assuming it is cloisonne...

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Old 07-18-07, 09:44 PM   #5
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OK, i can't wait to take this one apart,,, and i can't wait to take that first ride! Does anyone have a close up picture of brake levers/bars and the seat?
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"OK, i can't wait to take this one apart,,, and i can't wait to take that first ride! Does anyone have a close up picture of brake levers/bars and the seat?"

Hey John Z, I think we have the exact same bike. And I'm not sure but I think mine is completely stock with some vintage extras. I mean, it has a sunglasses holder on the back of the seat, a pump that wedges in between the frame, and odometer on the front wheel and the rack, of course, which I think is stock. Anyway, I think I'm gonna convert my to a fixie. You still need some factory brakes, seat etc?

Lemme know and I'll email you a pic...
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Old 04-26-09, 02:24 PM   #7
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Hi-ten is entry-level tubing, but the components seem decent enough. I think for $10, this is definitely worth cleaning and polishing, although it will be a labor of love and learning....
While it is hi-tensile steel, it is butted. That, the aluminum rims and cotterless crank make it a couple pounds lighter than your typical entry level model. Definitely, upper entry level, close to mid-range for the era.
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It probably should have Nitto Olympiade bars and Dia Compe brakes.

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It is a good, solid bike. The S10-S was Fuji's "pretty good" bike for the masses, usually marketed right at the cusp of its recreational (lower end) and enthusiasts (upper end) bikes. Some of the things that they did with their bikes in the seventies were a little anomalous and don't neatly fit into some of the brackets we have now for classifying old bikes, like butted hi ten steel, or mating forged dropouts to hi-ten steel, or straight guage cromoly steel frames, etc. You'll hear that hi-ten bikes are gas-pipe department store junk, and 99% of the time this is true, but the S10-S is definitely not huffy grade and is probably one of the better, if not best hi-ten bikes made.

The Suntour Vx stuff is fine, shifts excellently, relatively lightweight and durable. The dia compe brakes were on zillions of bikes, new pads, housings, cables should get them ok. The cranks are cool, Fuji branded Sugino Maxy/super Maxy cranks. You can pick up some dia compe brake levers pretty cheap on ebay, plenty of these floating around, and if you want drop bars, just pick up a new set of Nitto B115, which are still made and are quite similar to what was on the bike originally.

Grease/lube everything. This is a good project to learn how to repack/adjust bearings. Not a very hard task once you know how to do it, and if the old bearings/grease/adjustments are bad, will make a huge difference in how the bike responds/feels.

These things are sort of the Model-T's of vintage bikes. And with the chrome and black paint can be a pretty sharp looking bike. My Fuji Gran Tourer is pretty similar to this bike, I've spent some time getting everything right on it, and actually now gets more comments than any other bike I've ever owned. And it rides great for what I use it for - just today, put in 40 miles pulling my kid in a trailer w/my wife on her bike.
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Looks a lot like this one

77 S-10-S 12 speed No. 77I-02860

SunTour Group Set (low end)

These are good bikes. I own and enjoy a '74 and am rebuilding the '77.
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OK, i can't wait to take this one apart,,, and i can't wait to take that first ride! Does anyone have a close up picture of brake levers/bars and the seat?

Here's a few of one of the two S10-S's I own.







Comfortable, dependable, the "do all" bicycle.

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My mom bought me a used S10-S sometime around 1990 when I was in college, and it was the first "good" bike I ever owned. I rode the heck out of it, never overhauled it. I basically rode it into the ground, bought a new bike, and let the S10-S rust away in the damp basement for more than a decade.

Recently I decided to completely overhaul the bike as a learning project, so that I can better care for my newer bikes. I am almost done reviving my Fuji steed, I feel like I brought something very special back from the dead, and now I am totally in love with this bike. I got a lot of attention dragging that old frame around to the various bike shops looking for parts, including several offers to buy it. I'd say the S10-S is well respected by a certain class of bike mechanic.

I'm curious about the serial number, which is 77A92097. I am assuming the first two mean it's a model 1977, but does that mean it was made in 1977? What do the other numbers and letters signify? EDIT: Nevermind, found it in this thread: http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/in.../t-455443.html

I installed a brand new freewheel because several teeth broke off the 30 tooth cog of the Maeda Industries freewheel that I found on this bike, but the old freewheel is still much better than the brand new replacement in every other way. Are there still freewheel cogs available for this type of freewheel? It's amazing how well put together some of this older stuff was. EDIT: Answered my own question again, lol. Cogs are $20 each (yikes!!!) at yellowjersey dot org.

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Old 06-19-09, 04:07 PM   #14
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Have a look here to figure out what the serial number means. http://www.classicfuji.com/0_Serial_Number_TableAA.htm I think you have garnered most of the relevant info, however.
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That brings back memories... I had two of them, back in my high-school and college years. It was the top-rated value bike in the bike boom years. Served Fuji well, and it looked enough like the better bikes that you'd be tempted to go upscale constantly.

The original components were bullet-proof, but for the headset, which was awful (not well protected from the elements, the grease would leak out, and it would brinnel easily from hitting even small potholes). The rims are pretty heavy, and the spokes were nothing great, so it would often need truing.
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This thread is almost 2 years old, but the Fuji S-10-S/S-12-S is a great bike. First introduced in the U.S. in 1971, they quickly made a great name for themselves.
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And they take really well to 700s:


And there's more chrome on that frame than you may realize:


I'm in the midst of an overhaul of this one right now.
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Sports 10 and S10-S are two different bike models.

http://www.classicfuji.com/0_Models_and_Years.htm

BTW, the S10-S also is known as the Special Road Racer.
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I have an S-10-S that I ride when I need to lock something up on campus. It has had a bad repaint by some idiot in the past. But the bike is a great ride. Hi-tensile tubing or not, it's light and responsive. Mine has the too-narrow original Nitto drop bars on it (Fuji branded) and the too-short stem, but I still like the ride. I got it for $35 with a bent rear wheel and put a $20 used wheel on it (front 27", rear 700C, but works just fine). Been a great ride ever since. I recommend this bike to anyone looking for a cheap bike that is great to ride.

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I have two of them right now, a 78 and 77. The 77 was all original, down to the Ukai 27" rims and the Sunshine Gyromaster hubs, but the old galvanized spokes were rusted beyond help, as well as many other chromed parts. The 78 was just a frame when I got it, and it is in very good condition. I'm right in the middle of restoring it, and will relace the Ukai rims to the gyromaster hubs with new stainless steel spokes for the 78.



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I have an '81 S-12S. Love that wide range 18 speed drivetrain.
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I have a 1981 S12S as well, and had a 1980 S12S earlier this year. There is a significant difference between these two bikes for some reason. The 1980 was a 12 speed, straight gauge tubing, and Suntour Vx derailleurs. The 1981 is 18 speed, Cyclone derailleurs, and I think it has quad butted tubing (I'll have to check). The 1981 is a pretty nice bike!
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Rode a 73 earlier today for about 30-35 miles. It was a great little ride, although I was shocked that I forgot how much heavier it is when I went to lift it. I had a ton of extra stuff on the rack though, so the weight difference between this bike and another was somewhat negligible after that.
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replacement tires

Hi all,
Not sure if this is the best place for this but I was hoping someone might be able to help out.
I have a Fuji S10-S and will be needing to get new tires.
I bought it off of Craigslist and from what I can tell, everything on it is stock. I would like to keep with that in getting new tires but can not seem to find any information on "The silver star tire" company. Does anybody know if they are around? If not can anybody recommend a good replacement tire for it?

Thanks

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