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Old 07-30-07, 03:17 PM   #1
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advice on period Stems and Bars

So I am getting through aquiring parts to build up my 74 Ron Kitching frame to the very best it could have been in 1974 and I was looking for some advice on what would be a great stem and set of bars of the time.
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Top end for the time was Cinelli, both bar and stem. Mod 1 or 1A stem, Mod 64, 65 or 66 bars.

3ttt was pretty good, too. But don't mix a Cinelli bar with a 3ttt stem or vice-versa, as they Cinelli made their bars a slightly different diameter that everyone else's.
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Top end for the time was Cinelli, both bar and stem. Mod 1 or 1A stem, Mod 64, 65 or 66 bars.

3ttt was pretty good, too. But don't mix a Cinelli bar with a 3ttt stem or vice-versa, as they Cinelli made their bars a slightly different diameter that everyone else's.
I don't know much about these to makes as I am still very new to all this. Does anybody have vintage catalogue pages identifying the parts as it seems the names didn't change year on year and I am looking for correct date stuff.
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what you need to know with cinelli is that the logo changed around 1978 or so... so older stems have CINELLI MILANO in an oval on the top while newer ones have the winged C, the old logo bars also had the "knight crest" on them. Old logo cinelli stuff is more expensive on the bay and elsewhere usually, sometimes you can make a score especially if you are willing to live with some blemishes. I got a very early 1A stem from the 1960 with the 7mm allen binder bolt and the 12mm (i think) hex nut bar clamp. You will be looking for the old logo 1A with the allen fasteners or the old logo 1R to be correct for your build. And any alloy bar with the crest logo should be close enough. There was some changes to the knurled clamp area on the bars but I am not sure what that time line is and at 1974 and crest logo bars should be correct. PM if you are interested in an old logo 105mm 1R and 39cm campione del mondo bars.

this seems to be the best cinelli bar and stem source on the net.
http://www.43bikes.com/cinelli-bars-stems.html

the old logo 1R was introduced in 1973 and if you watch a sunday in hell or the greatest show on earth you'll see most riders were using them. I believe the old logo 1A was revised for 1972 to have the 6mm allen fittings as the above link indicated, this is contrary to the classic rendezvous (here) timeline which indicated the change was in 1975... members of this forum have commented that they indeed remember the 1A with 6mm allen fittings prior to 1975.
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Cool thanks for the info I may well be giving you a shout about those parts. what is the condition of them like as I am trying to get near NOS or NOS parts for this build up.

Currently the bike features SAKEA CUSTOM ROAD CHAMPION bars and a SOUL SR stem. I cannot find much info on either.
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I don't know the soul stem but the bars are standard on a lot of 70s entry level bikes. The 1R stem has 2 marks... one below the insertion line and one above. The marks are small and the overall condition is excellent. It appears to be a new take-off and I think should suit your bike. I have stripped the annodising off the handlebars due to some scuffing but unfortunately the logo on one side is a little faded as a result of someone once having squeezed the bars into a 26.0mm stem. Once polished up (I never completed the process) I think they will be quite nice, but perhaps not up to snuff if you are doing a show restoration. The stem is near show worthy. I also have an old logo 1R I might part with... it would have to have the annodising removed and be polished... a common practice amoung us vintage bike nerds and something I plan on doing to my 1960s 1A.
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Currently the bike features SAKEA CUSTOM ROAD CHAMPION bars and a SOUL SR stem. I cannot find much info on either.
Both are pretty standard items for the period. Perfectly serviceable and good value in terms of function, and they were a good way for a bike company to cut their cost and hence their price from an all-out top-of-the-line without compormising performance. But they are both Japanese, and in 1974, Italian was still the ultimate in cool when it came to bike components, with very few exceptions. Everything else was, well, everything else.
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The bike is a real odd mix of stuff: campy front mech, Shimano rear, sergino (spl?) cranks, Weinmann brakes and levers and on and on. But I think thats because the frame may have been purchased and then built up by the original owner.

cyclotoine could you pm me a price you are thinking for the two stems.
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Try this site: http://velobase.com/SearchBasic.aspx - search for brand: Cinelli. Most of the Cinelli photos posted are the 80s versions, but the 1A stem and 64 or 66 handlebar should give you a little to go on as far as photos.
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If you have a high end British bike, try to find a GB stem and bars. The bars have a real nice engraving of the British Isles on their face. That's the nicest looking item on my Professional
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It may be blasphemous, but I recently threw a Nitto Pearl stem and Noodle bars on my Casati. The bike feels much better (shorter stem, wider bars) and that Nitto stuff looks great.
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Top end for the time was Cinelli, both bar and stem. Mod 1 or 1A stem, Mod 64, 65 or 66 bars.

3ttt was pretty good, too. But don't mix a Cinelli bar with a 3ttt stem or vice-versa, as they Cinelli made their bars a slightly different diameter that everyone else's.

For the record, I have a vintage 3ttt stem and (newer) "standard" 26.0 Cinelli bars on my Palo Alto. So there are combo's that will work together, albeit maybe not vintage correct ones.


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I believe Cinelli made the switch to 26.0 some time around 94-96?
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Another satisified Nitto customer here. Technomic Deluxe for the x-tra height and Noodles for the width, replacing a late 70s Cinelli bar/stem combo. I had intended to keep the Cinellis around just because, but if you are interested PM me.
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Come on guys would a nitto stem and bars be acceptable on a 1974 super record restoration project!?
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Well, not on a showroom restoration...
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....But short of that, they're tough to beat:

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