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Old 09-25-07, 08:12 AM   #1
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Need Help with building up an old Rossin frame

Hi,

I recently got hold of this frame:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/amphalo...523341/detail/

Which I believe is a repainted Rossin from the 80's. I don't have much experience of building up vintage geared bikes and was wondering if anyone could recommend the right sort of gears to go with it. I'm particularly confused by the front mech braze on which I haven't seen before.

Would this have used Campag bits?

Ideally I'd like to have modern indexed gears, hoping that this won't offend too many purists.

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Old 09-25-07, 08:18 AM   #2
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Nice-looking frame! You cannot go wrong with Campagnolo components, particularly on an Italian frame. If you are on a tight budget, Ofmega and Modolo also made fine Italian components which will look great and work well in your application.

The front derailleur braze-on mounting is a "blast to the past" which began to re-emerge in the 1980s; yours is presumably for a Campagnolo front derailleur. Front derailleur mounting tabs had been popular in the 1950s, particularly with the Simplex Competition ("suicide") direct-lever shifter.
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You can also use Shimano parts for indexed shifting. Early Dura Ace 7400 or 7401 (6 or 7 speed) would work just fine.

Of course you can stick with the above mentioned Italian brands as well. Personally, I'm not a stickler for keeping an Italian frame all Italian. In my limited experience, I've found that mid 80's Shimano DA is better than Campy, particularly when it comes to indexed shifting. YMMV

I have a Rossin of the same vintage that is all Campy SR. Good bikes, and underrated, IMO.
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Interesting! Italian bike with a very English paint job, box lining on a Rossin, awesome.

The bike is pretty unique I would use whatever you like but it will be Italian threading.
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Thanks very much for the tips. So do you need a special sort of font mech to fit a braze on, or will the standard band attachment types fit?

Having seen a few original Rossin paint jobs on Flickr I'm glad mine's been resprayed!

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You will need a braze on frt derailleur, like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-FRONT-DE...QQcmdZViewItem

(no connection with auction, just for informational purposes--there are a few available)
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Odd to see such paint on a Rossin, but probably IS and improvement over what it came with: Rossin is famous/infamous for some of the most garish "Miami Vice" paint ever during the '80s. You either love that or hate it. This paint is almost identical to that originally on an old Holdsworth Touring bike I own, but unfortunately I resprayed it a single-color, bronze. This one looks good, and should ride like a champ!
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Hold on there, The early 80's Rossin paint was quite nice. Mine is the same as this one, except for a chrome chainstay and fork:
http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/..._view.jpg.html
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Nice bike. I've got a Rossin I love, maybe even more than my Cinelli but it's a 56cm and I ride a 60 and it'll never be comfortable, I just havn't been able to bring myself to sell it.
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That red Rossin is downright dour compared to what they did in the later '80s, and looks fine by me...somebody must have dosed the drinking water in the paint shop
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Hey OFG,

That sounds exactly like the bike that Hennie Kuiper rode to the win at Milan-San Remo in 1985, and HE was an OFG when he won! Sounds like you have the right bike!
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Thanks OFG, very helpful.

The other thing I'm not sure about is the rear mech hanger, the frame doesn't have the removable mech hanger insert I've seen before, just a circular hole below the drop outs. Should normal rear mechs screw into this?

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Here is a link to Hennie Kuiper's site, there are pics of him on his Rossin in 1985, and some mpegs of him on his Colnago during his 83 Paris Roubaix victory.

http://www.henniekuiper.nl/en/
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Thanks OFG, very helpful.

The other thing I'm not sure about is the rear mech hanger, the frame doesn't have the removable mech hanger insert I've seen before, just a circular hole below the drop outs. Should normal rear mechs screw into this?

Cheers

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The removable hangers are generally on Alloy dropouts, the Rossin and most other steel bikes do not have removable hangers.
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Tom,
Most any rear dérailleur will just screw right into the threaded hole, check eBay, there are both Campy and Dura Ace available at reasonable prices.

Good Luck & Enjoy,

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Thanks OFG, very helpful.

The other thing I'm not sure about is the rear mech hanger, the frame doesn't have the removable mech hanger insert I've seen before, just a circular hole below the drop outs. Should normal rear mechs screw into this?

Cheers

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Here is a link to Hennie Kuiper's site, there are pics of him on his Rossin in 1985, and some mpegs of him on his Colnago during his 83 Paris Roubaix victory.

http://www.henniekuiper.nl/en/
Very cool, thanks.
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Beautiful! Love the paint job.
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my favourite Rossin paint job was the Mondrian inspired colour blocks.
(s70rguy has one).
this is my second choice for a rossin.

needs campy but not c record. something staid like nuovo record. . .

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my favourite Rossin paint job was the Mondrian inspired colour blocks.
(s70rguy has one).
this is my second choice for a rossin.

needs campy but not c record. something staid like nuovo record. . .

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Had one .... Its in the USA now, somewhere in Arizona if memory serves.
I still have the red Rossin of course, the one OFG shows in the wooljersey link. It fits me like a glove ... (although i will sell this red one soon (anyone interested?); i have the same frame built up waiting for me in Thailand, whenever i'm there i can ride in style!)
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That's definitely subtle for a Rossin - nothing at all like my mid-80's RL.



Go 7400-series Dura Ace all the way. I built mine that way, and it's the best bike I've got in the stable.

Period correct Campagnolo may have the name, but the quality was definitely a step behind Shimano at that point.
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Nice bike. I've got a Rossin I love, maybe even more than my Cinelli but it's a 56cm and I ride a 60 and it'll never be comfortable, I just havn't been able to bring myself to sell it.
And if you ever decide to, let me know. I'd love to have a second. Er, third, fourth, fifth . . . . . . . . They keep me from wasting my money on Masi's.
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Thanks everyone for all your help, you've saved me a lot of time.

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That looks more like a Rivendell than a Rossin, but I love it. Most of the Rossins I have seen have pretty bright and sometimes garish paint jobs. I love 'em.
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