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Old 11-07-07, 07:11 PM   #1
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Vintage Campy bike found in garbage

To save time here's a link to my original thread in the road bikes section (in case I leave any info out here):
Found this in the garbage..

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Upon further inspection the serial number was found, it reads 014511. I tried google but didn't find anything.. What exactly have I got here? Thanks in advance!
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Old 11-07-07, 07:20 PM   #2
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Some good images of the head tube (showing the lugs), the seat tube/seat stay cluster and the serial number on the bottom bracket will be helpful to those who know what's what.
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Those are some huge pics of the components, and there's some good ones there: Campy Record hubs with curved QR levers, bladed spokes, Suntour Cyclone FD, cheapo DiaCompe brakes...but not enough detail of the frame: pics of the lugs/BB/seatcluster, please. It has Campy shorty DOs with chrome faces, and with what seems to be nutted brakes (true?) which might say very early 80s.Oh and a TA crank and Suntour barcons...whatever you got it's a hellacious good find in any dump!
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Those are some huge pics of the components, and there's some good ones there: Campy Record hubs with curved QR levers, bladed spokes, Suntour Cyclone FD, cheapo DiaCompe brakes...but not enough detail of the frame: pics of the lugs/BB/seatcluster, please. It has Campy shorty DOs with chrome faces, and with what seems to be nutted brakes (true?) which might say very early 80s.Oh and a TA crank and Suntour barcons...whatever you got it's a hellacious good find in any dump!
Can you specify what the lugs are? I'm unsure where the BB is too. I just want to be sure when I take more pictures.
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The BB (Bottom Bracket) is the bottom part of the frame where the cranks are. The BB shell is the part of the frame that encases the BB, an axle and bearing system. Lugs are at all tube joints, the little sleeve like things that turn a few tubes of steel into a bicycle frame.

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Old 11-07-07, 09:22 PM   #6
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The BB (Bottom Bracket) is the bottom part of the frame where the cranks are. The BB shell is the part of the frame that encases the BB, an axle and bearing system. Lugs are at all tube joints, the little sleeve like things that turn a few tubes of steel into a bicycle frame.

Also, check out www.sheldonbrown.com sometime for further information on all things bike.
Thanks! I'll post new pictures before long.
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let's see if I can just repeat your picture with the crucial areas circled in red:

Yay, it worked. The circles are around the forkcrown, the headlugs, the seat cluster (where the stem is inserted into the frame), and behind those gears is the Bottom Bracket, where the serial number may be stamped. Get some good light on the areas and take from several angles.
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Looks like a great find for the parts alone, and considering parts are often an accurate indicator of frame quality that could be a fantastic frame.
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Probably newer than early 80s since it has that lil nub for a pump behind the headtube, whatever it is im sure its a good frame going by the campy drop outs.
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Fork Crown:



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Rear brake bridge:



Note: Stole these photos from: http://www.campyonly.com/mypages/2006/cinelli.html
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Here's all the new pictures of the requested areas. Hope these are good enough. Let me know if they aren't and I'll try for better lighting. There's not much to see though as the paint is black.

Also, the serial on the under side of the bottom bracket shell reads: 014511







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Try taking some during daylight, but in the shade. And if your camera has a macro setting, it will help you focus on closeups.

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Try taking some during daylight, but in the shade. And if your camera has a macro setting, it will help you focus on closeups.

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I took those with the macro setting. I'll try to do it tomorrow in the day like you said.
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Very interesting, I've never seen this type of chainring setup before. I assume this is for racing? Perhaps this bike has a pedigree?
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here's my take so far based on what i think i'm seeing in the pics.

imo, it's a late 70's to very early 80's upper mid-level japanese frameset , double butted tubing
owner upgraded the crankset to a TA triple for the gearing
a new wheelset was built up to replace the OEM wheels
bars, stem,headset, brakeset,bar end shifters, derailleurs, seatpost & pedals are probably original to the bike
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The components don't tell you anything; a bigger mishmash I doubt I'll see again.

That said, the wrapover seatstays will narrow it down for the knowledgable. This is a REALLY esoteric question, but knowing the bottom bracket threading will narrow it down even more. I know of French, British and Swiss bikes with that kind of seatstay detailing, and the threading will help. The bottom bracket cups will have something stamped into them ("35 X P1" is stamped into the Swiss thread Tange bottom bracket cups sitting on my desk right now, for instance ...) so give us that info, too.

I have to disagree with caterham; this don't look Japanese to me.

And for those of you guys who haven't picked it up from the other thread: the SN is 014511.

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here's my take so far based on what i think i'm seeing in the pics.

imo, it's a late 70's to very early 80's upper mid-level japanese frameset , double butted tubing
owner upgraded the crankset to a TA triple for the gearing
a new wheelset was built up to replace the OEM wheels
bars, stem,headset, brakeset,bar end shifters, derailleurs, seatpost & pedals are probably original to the bike
Any idea what kind of frame though? Good info, thanks
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The components don't tell you anything; a bigger mishmash I doubt I'll see again.

That said, the wrapover seatstays will narrow it down for the knowledgable. This is a REALLY esoteric question, but knowing the bottom bracket threading will narrow it down even more. I know of French, British and Swiss bikes with that kind of seatstay detailing, and the threading will help. The bottom bracket cups will have something stamped into them ("35 X P1" is stamped into the Swiss thread Tange bottom bracket cups sitting on my desk right now, for instance ...) so give us that info, too.

I have to disagree with caterham; this don't look Japanese to me.

And for those of you guys who haven't picked it up from the other thread: the SN is 014511.
Bottom Bracket Cups? Where exactly should I look for these?

EDIT: I looked it up. I dont have the tools for this right now. Haha

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Any idea what kind of frame though? Good info, thanks
A good one. The details are what we're working on here ...

In all seriousness ... there are many, many people here who know more than I do - guys who have owned bike shops for decades, or raced back in the day - but I'm guessing it's British or French, made of Reynolds 531 tubing (this is good), and from one of the larger makers based on its six-digit serial number. I'm also guessing 1970's.

Give us more details and pictures, and we'll beat this to death for days.
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A good one. The details are what we're working on here ...

In all seriousness ... there are many, many people here who know more than I do - guys who have owned bike shops for decades, or raced back in the day - but I'm guessing it's British or French, made of Reynolds 531 tubing (this is good), and from one of the larger makers based on its six-digit serial number. I'm also guessing 1970's.

Give us more details and pictures, and we'll beat this to death for days.
I'll take some more pictures tomorrow. Hopefully they'll turn out better outside in macro mode. Thanks for all the help, man. I appreciate everything.
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Bottom bracket cups ... the bottom bracket shell is the part of the frame that holds the spindle to which the cranks are attached, and it's probably where the serial number is stamped. The cups are the metal discs which screw into both sides of that bottom bracket shell; they hold the bearings and the spindle in place. Here's a photo of a bottom bracket set, including cups:
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French crank, Italian hubs, Japanese derailleurs, bar end shifters. This was obviously a bike owned by someone who liked working on bikes. I think I would check with the police and Craigslist to see if it was reported stolen.
As for the identity of the frame, your guess is as good as mine. Knowing the bottom bracket threading will narrow it down, but that will involve getting a crank puller. It does look to be a fairly decent bike though.
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You shouldn't HAVE to pull the crank to read markings on the adjustable cup (LH side as you sit on it, without the gears), just peer in the gap and look for something like 1.37 x 24 or such. If I had to guess right now, I'd go with British... why guess when more pics are coming, but that semi-wrap seat cluster is pretty "Brit" to my eye. You wouldn't have seen those short Campy DOs in the '70s, not common until '78-79, so based on the conservative touches like no BB cable guides and the simple TT guides and straight brake bridge with nutted brakes: I'm still saying right around 1980 (give or take a little). It IS a hodgepodge of mostly good parts, obviously owned by somebody who cared for and rode it, could very well have been stolen, but then why dumped? A thief would flip it for his fix or strip it...could be the result of an angry divorce or of a death. Can anybody ID that headset? Is that "1/2 step plus granny" gearing? And what brand chain is that, it's distinctive but escapes me right now: Regina? Everest? If it's a Campy RD, how about a "patent date" (right on top)?

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The japanese did various copies of the classic brit semi wrap seatclusters but i definately missed the pic showing the right rear dropout detail.Based on that , the better-than- french finishwork and the semi sloping fork crown, I'd now be inclined to lean towards a british origin rather than my original japanese assessment. If it is a british built bicycle, it's more likely to use one of the many reynolds 531 tubeset variants. The Seatpin diameter should sort out the tubing identity fairly easily. Also fascinated by that headset. I'm completely unfamiliar with it.
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The cranks are TA. My girlfriend's Mercian has the same crankset and similar looking lugs. Oh, and some Cyclone bits too. If the seatpost is marked 27.2 it's likely to be Reynolds 531.
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