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Old 12-12-07, 10:43 AM   #101
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Wow this has become my favorite thread. The pics are absolutely stellar. I have an 88 Nishiki Modulus with a 64 cm CrMo Kawamura frame. I have replaced the brake calipers,Rd,Fd with Ultegra 6500. I replaced the brake levers with Shimano Bl R600. Still using the 6 speed cluster and down tube shifters. Until finding this thread I was not going to attempt any further mods ---- But OH Baby!! Think I'll start looking for the rest of those goodies I'll need to make it happen. Thanks and keep the pics coming. Lp
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Old 12-12-07, 01:12 PM   #102
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so, uhh....my dura ace 7400 der. will work with brifters if i get the right rear hub and casette?

i've got a few of them orange sprinters too.
The 7400 der. will only index right with 7400 shifters, dt brifters or other wise. Any hyperglide cassette will work along with any HG hub. the 7402 hubs are the ones that you need to look out for as they are uniglide
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As mentioned in another thread this frame has been compromised. While setting it up with the current components it was found to have stress cracks in the TT around the back cable routing hole. Being as I do not have a frame to hang these parts at the moment, and the cracks don't compromise the ride or my life as of yet, I decided to finish building it up and ride it until safety really becomes an issue. Hopefully soon I will be receiving a 1990 Waterford Paramount frame from my brother-in-law, but until then...

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Does anyone have any recommnedations? I am considering going with Campy this time. I have always been a Campy fan but went with the DA 16 years ago b/c the Campy version of STI in the early 90's worked poorly.
I really like the Campy Centaur group, very smooth, very crisp, nice looking. I'd go Centaur if you're on a budget, and Chorus if you have the money to spend. Chorus shifters use ball bearings in the shifter mechanisms, Centaur uses bushings.
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I really like the Campy Centaur group, very smooth, very crisp, nice looking. I'd go Centaur if you're on a budget, and Chorus if you have the money to spend. Chorus shifters use ball bearings in the shifter mechanisms, Centaur uses bushings.
I have two bikes with Campy, and I love it. If you don't mind spending the extra bucks, go Chorus. If not, Centaur will work well, too. BUT....

For 2007, Campy changed the guts of the ergo shifters. With Centaur and below they now use a "release" mechanism, like the Shimano STI, so that each throw of the thumb lever only drops you one cog, versus the older mechanism which allowed you to drop multiple cogs at once. This feature was retained on Chours and Record.

I prefer the older system, because when you change from big ring to small ring, you can instantly drop the right number of cogs to put you in the right gear. This is even more important if you go with a compact, because 1) you'll shift the front more often, and 2) you need to drop 3 cogs, instead of the 2 that works for standard cranks.
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Thanks for the advice guys! I was partial to Chorus.
What would be the weight savings over 8-sp DA STI using the modern 10-sp Chorus?

Is PBK the best place to score the whole group?

Everything works well on the Serotta but after getting the CF Madone the Serotta seems like a tank, but a great handling tank. I don't think it would be worth spending the extra $$$ only to save 1-2 lbs

PS I am already using tubular wheels but might be able to build up some lighter wheels.
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Thanks for the advice guys! I was partial to Chorus.
What would be the weight savings over 8-sp DA STI using the modern 10-sp Chorus?
Not a definitive answer, but maybe helpful:

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The MAX frame and fork are probably 1.5 lbs heavier than the Ritchey frame and fork.
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I believe that online you can still find 2006 Centaur shifters with the "dump" feature. Check Nashbar and Lickton.
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Nashbar is where I got my 2006 Chorus levers.
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I believe that online you can still find 2006 Centaur shifters with the "dump" feature. Check Nashbar and Lickton.
Nashbar had them for $149 last week, but I don't see them on the website anymore. Lickton has the 2006 Centaur, but they are Gray And they are $189. Best bet might be eBay, they usually go for ~$120 or so....

FWIW, PBK have SILVER 2007 Veloce shifters, with complete cable kit, for $100 delivered. Hard to go wrong with that - I just received my set for the upcoming Battaglin build.

For the best complete group prices, either PBK or http://www.gvhbikes.com/. Tom at GVH is very competitive, and his group builder tool on the website is very versatile.
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FWIW, PBK have SILVER 2007 Veloce shifters, with complete cable kit, for $100 delivered. Hard to go wrong with that - I just received my set for the upcoming Battaglin build.
What? You mean I'm not gonna be the only NorCal BFer with a Battaglin?

Details! Give me details!!
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The 7400 der. will only index right with 7400 shifters, dt brifters or other wise. Any hyperglide cassette will work along with any HG hub. the 7402 hubs are the ones that you need to look out for as they are uniglide
It will work wit 105 downtube shifters also.
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What? You mean I'm not gonna be the only NorCal BFer with a Battaglin?

Details! Give me details!!

So, like..... where where you when I was asking about it?

See this thread:

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I wouldn't have been much help anyway - I don't know much about the brand, and very little about Battaglin himself. I bought mine off Ebay because it was Columbus MAX tubing, in my size, and I wanted to build up a bike from a frame.
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It will work wit 105 downtube shifters also.
Will it really? My info came from Sheldon. Here.

I only ask because I have an extra set of 7400 dérailleurs and and extra set of 105 dt shifters and it would be nice not to have to track down more Dura Ace stuff.
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I am in the process of re-inventing my bike collection to consist of STI/Ergo hybrids and SA 3-speeds for road use. Currently, the Pinarello Montello 8-spd Ergo and the Titan 9-spd STI are the only bikes relavent to this thread. The Pinarello is just about done. The Titan is the road warrior and an ongoing work in progress ( I'm not completely happy with the fork and cockpit).

These bikes ride VERY differently but both are vastly superior to the aluminum and composite bikes that they have replaced. 25 years and 25 pounds ago I probably would have expressed a different opinion but here and now, given the way I ride today, they are just perfect!!!
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those look great, I am REALLY wanting to put a set of STI's on my Varsity.
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I've got a bare pearlescent orange Miyata 912 frame that I planned on putting all the original 600 Arabesque stuff on it. Since then, I've come across a full 8-speed Campy Chorus gruppo for free (granted I sell the frame it's currently attached to). Would it be sacrilege?
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Capitalists are always looking to make a buck. Not that there's anything wrong with that...

Take the rear wheel out. Grip the dropouts in your hands. Pull them apart. It will take a lot of strength. Try to put the 130 wheel in. You'll probably need to pull some more, harder this time. Try the wheel again. Eventually it will fit. You will not break the bike. Your alignment, dropouts, etc. will not be ruined. You might be sore in the morning. It's not rocket science.

You will, of course, have to deal with having offending the gods by putting a 130 wheel into your classic bike, but that's your problem to sort out.

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Doesn't it annoy you to have that tag flapping behind you when you ride?

I'm surprised someone hasn't pulled it off while passing him, or vice versa.
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Some people may tell you to cold set the rear to 130 and some will say just to squeeze the bigger hub in. I've done both with no issues.

I cold-set my Mondonico. I don't like wrestling with the bike.
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I've got a bare pearlescent orange Miyata 912 frame that I planned on putting all the original 600 Arabesque stuff on it. Since then, I've come across a full 8-speed Campy Chorus gruppo for free (granted I sell the frame it's currently attached to). Would it be sacrilege?
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I've got a bare pearlescent orange Miyata 912 frame that I planned on putting all the original 600 Arabesque stuff on it. Since then, I've come across a full 8-speed Campy Chorus gruppo for free (granted I sell the frame it's currently attached to). Would it be sacrilege?
I think it would be excellent, and most likely give you an enjoyable ride.
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Early 80's Proteus road bike updated with Shimano STI 105 and all 2007 105 componentry....along with Neuvation wheelset.

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