Retro roadies- old frames with STI's or Ergos
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Schwin 754 updates
here's my latest project, a 1989 Schwinn 754. Picked it up from an LBS a few months ago. Wanted one of these since I was in college but when I finally got eh $$, Schwinn went under and no one could get these. When purchased it was all stock (Suntour GPX group). I had just rebuilt & modded my Trek Domane (replaced the stock 3x10 Tiagra w/ SRAM Rival among some of the upgrades.) Most of the Trek left overs made the way to the Schwinn. So now its running the Tiagra 3x10 drive train, Bontrager rims w/ Kenda Kadence tires and a carbon fork.
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You don't necessarily have to cold set. Plenty of folks just spread the dropouts on steel frames by hand and fit the wider hub with minimal effort. I've done this on several bikes without issues. If you have a budgetary constraint with the project, there's nothing wrong with piecemeal experimentation... But, if you can afford to swap to a whole new drivetrain, wheels, and brakes at once you'll definitely be happy with that decision in the long run. Just my $0.02 Happy tinkering!
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here's my latest project, a 1989 Schwinn 754. Picked it up from an LBS a few months ago. Wanted one of these since I was in college but when I finally got eh $$, Schwinn went under and no one could get these. When purchased it was all stock (Suntour GPX group). I had just rebuilt & modded my Trek Domane (replaced the stock 3x10 Tiagra w/ SRAM Rival among some of the upgrades.) Most of the Trek left overs made the way to the Schwinn. So now its running the Tiagra 3x10 drive train, Bontrager rims w/ Kenda Kadence tires and a carbon fork.
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+1 on that!
Using compact 10speed 105 currently on my steel EL-OS, it's a really nice group, shifting is pretty nice, effortless on the hands, brakes are solid, they don't bend like 10 speed Centaur for instance. I could be picky and say shifting from bigger to a smaller sprocket is somewhat clunky, but in the end it works awesome. Shifting from smaller to a bigger sprocket is smooth, both on cassette or front drive. Also, tidy cockpit with under the hood routing.
Using compact 10speed 105 currently on my steel EL-OS, it's a really nice group, shifting is pretty nice, effortless on the hands, brakes are solid, they don't bend like 10 speed Centaur for instance. I could be picky and say shifting from bigger to a smaller sprocket is somewhat clunky, but in the end it works awesome. Shifting from smaller to a bigger sprocket is smooth, both on cassette or front drive. Also, tidy cockpit with under the hood routing.
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When you upgrade shifters does it always require a new cassette & derailleur or can you make new shifters work with 6 & 7 speeds and just adjust the limit screws? What do you guys do?
For example, I have a bike with 126 mm dropout spacing and a 6 speed freewheel. I don't want to cold set it to 130 mm and I'm fine with a 6 or 7 speed, but it might be cool to upgrade to a 105 group in the future.
For example, I have a bike with 126 mm dropout spacing and a 6 speed freewheel. I don't want to cold set it to 130 mm and I'm fine with a 6 or 7 speed, but it might be cool to upgrade to a 105 group in the future.
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Not always, I saw you got a lot of explanation as to why you'd move fully to a newer group so my advice is going to swing in the opposite direction. At 6 speed, you're pretty much assured you already have the dropout spacing for 7 speed, shimano currently makes 7 speed brifters (they're on the low end of the spectrum) that work very well, assuming your drivetrain is already shimano 7, that means you'd just need the STI's and the STI barrel adjusters (can be had for just under $100(USD) new. Assuming you have 6 speed, odds are it's a freewheel and you can simply pull it and replace with a modern 7. If it were my build and I didn't have "quality" FD/RD, I'd look into a set of Shimano Tri-Color 600(Ultegra) Derailleurs, which can be had for fairly cheap and perform amazingly well and will play nice with modern 7 speed STI's.
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I generally think of electronic shifting as a gimmicky luxury, but my view of it is softening. Perhaps, in time, it will be in the hands of common folks. I told my wife what it is, and her eyes widened! When she sees the point, that means a lot.
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A friend is racing a Colnago Prestige this fall in the local cross circuit.
While I think that bike is absolute overkill, it was fun to try.
I won't rush to put it on any of my bikes though, as I seem to be hopelessly stuck on 10 speed Chorus.
You know, the "old" stuff.
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I tried Di2 a couple of summers back at the NYC 5 boro tour. Granted, I tried it once in a parking lot...but my impression was luke-warm. I like the mechanical feel and trustworthiness of a good, purely mechanical group. I can see advantages for cross or MTB, but for my tastes mechanical is just fine on the road. The fly by wire feel of the shifts just ain't my cup of tea. I would still love to take a bike like the C'dale above for a good long spin with some climbs to really give Di2 a go.
I can certainly see advantages it holds for others.
I can certainly see advantages it holds for others.
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Just a few more snaps, electronic seems like a natural progression for this thread =D
I chose the cannondale because, well im a cannondale fan first and foremost if you guys remember some of my previous builds. But more so because i knew it has a few holes already drilled to make internal wiring a tad easier.
I chose the cannondale because, well im a cannondale fan first and foremost if you guys remember some of my previous builds. But more so because i knew it has a few holes already drilled to make internal wiring a tad easier.
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@jaseyjase, I like that.
I've decided that after much deliberation, I'm going to proceed and put STIs on my beloved old McLean. It has had Campagnolo Nuovo Record and Super Record all of its life since 1983. It will be a mismatch, and it will even be a slight insult, because I'll be using Tiagra. But the price was good, and I expect it to work well. Pictures will follow. First, I have to take some really nice "before" pictures. I haven't started the project yet.
I've decided that after much deliberation, I'm going to proceed and put STIs on my beloved old McLean. It has had Campagnolo Nuovo Record and Super Record all of its life since 1983. It will be a mismatch, and it will even be a slight insult, because I'll be using Tiagra. But the price was good, and I expect it to work well. Pictures will follow. First, I have to take some really nice "before" pictures. I haven't started the project yet.
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@jaseyjase, I like that.
I've decided that after much deliberation, I'm going to proceed and put STIs on my beloved old McLean. It has had Campagnolo Nuovo Record and Super Record all of its life since 1983. It will be a mismatch, and it will even be a slight insult, because I'll be using Tiagra. But the price was good, and I expect it to work well. Pictures will follow. First, I have to take some really nice "before" pictures. I haven't started the project yet.
I've decided that after much deliberation, I'm going to proceed and put STIs on my beloved old McLean. It has had Campagnolo Nuovo Record and Super Record all of its life since 1983. It will be a mismatch, and it will even be a slight insult, because I'll be using Tiagra. But the price was good, and I expect it to work well. Pictures will follow. First, I have to take some really nice "before" pictures. I haven't started the project yet.
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Thanks for the endorsement. I expect it to work well. I've heard good things about the FD! I had one before briefly, and it was good.
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My 1989 Schwinn Circuit
I originally built this frame up with Superbe Pro friction shifting. I decided I wanted a bike with STI shifting. I upgraded to 8 speed 105 STI levers. I had put the original Shimano Sante on the rear but I just hate the looks of that RD. So I now have Tri Color FD & RD as well as matching Tri Color brake calipers. I added the calipers because the Dia Compe brake calipers did not work well with the 105 levers. I still have the Superbe Pro Crank Set on the bike. If I can find a good deal on a nice looking matching crankset I will add that too. I have a new set of all black Continental Ulta sport tires I can put on the bike as well. Trying to decide. So many choices. I only upgraded to the next decade. Everything works great and the bike rocks!! I just wish the Tri Color stuff was as pretty as the Superbe Pro.
I originally built this frame up with Superbe Pro friction shifting. I decided I wanted a bike with STI shifting. I upgraded to 8 speed 105 STI levers. I had put the original Shimano Sante on the rear but I just hate the looks of that RD. So I now have Tri Color FD & RD as well as matching Tri Color brake calipers. I added the calipers because the Dia Compe brake calipers did not work well with the 105 levers. I still have the Superbe Pro Crank Set on the bike. If I can find a good deal on a nice looking matching crankset I will add that too. I have a new set of all black Continental Ulta sport tires I can put on the bike as well. Trying to decide. So many choices. I only upgraded to the next decade. Everything works great and the bike rocks!! I just wish the Tri Color stuff was as pretty as the Superbe Pro.
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@jaseyjase, I like that.
Wish i could say i was a pioneer but i know of a Klein roadie with a Di2 set up done wayy before myself.
lovin the buzzin the though!
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'90 Serotta Custom CX, built by Greg Fuquay
This puppy just followed me home from The Paceline. Greg Fuquay, a transplanted Brit who built for Serotta during the late-'80s/early-'90s, built this for himself in, I think, '90. He sold it around the time he left Serotta. Besides a custom serial number that includes his initials, there are also two "F"s engraved in the cantilever bosses, one front/left and one rear/right. Lugged steel, no tubing stickers, ribbed steerer tube so there's some Columbus in there. Pretty straightforward build without most of the "modern" Serotta hallmarks: straight chainstays (no S-bend), semi-wrap seatstay caps (i/o fastback), no shaped/formed/flared tubing. Front canti bosses are narrow, 60mm c-c, so most modern canti calipers won't fit.
Built pretty much as a race machine, there are no bottle/rack/fender mounts, no drilled bridges/crown. Brake/der housing runs above the top tube or below the down tube, for better shouldering. True to its time, fits 30-32mm rubber with lots of mud room; 35mm is possible but gets pretty tight at the chainstays, 38mm+ is a no-go.
I'm just realizing this doesn't exactly fit this thread, as it's titled "retro roadies," not "retro 'cross," but this probably will see more pavement than mud/gravel.
Built pretty much as a race machine, there are no bottle/rack/fender mounts, no drilled bridges/crown. Brake/der housing runs above the top tube or below the down tube, for better shouldering. True to its time, fits 30-32mm rubber with lots of mud room; 35mm is possible but gets pretty tight at the chainstays, 38mm+ is a no-go.
I'm just realizing this doesn't exactly fit this thread, as it's titled "retro roadies," not "retro 'cross," but this probably will see more pavement than mud/gravel.
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