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Old 11-12-07, 04:42 AM   #1
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retro roadies- old frames with STI's or Ergos

he guys, im just about th start building an old guericotti road bike up using a mix of 10speed campy parts. i thought it would be great to have a thread that showed bikes that others have added modern STI"s or Ergo shifters to. post em up people!!!
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Old 11-12-07, 05:54 AM   #2
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Not terribly old, but nowhere near new:

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That is the first time I have ever seen brifters with toeclips.

This thread reminds me of classic car restorers and collectors, who fall into three broad and over-generalized categories:
1) Keep everything as original as absolutely possible, even if this entails manually adjusting your spark advance as you drive and tolerating a dim-bulb 6-volt electrical system, possibly even one with positive ground, which could get interesting (in the worst sense of the word) during a jump start.
2) Maintain the look and feel of the old, while taking advantage of modern technology, including perhaps electronic ignition and disc brakes.
3) Keep the body and overall shape, but freely build a hot rod with a modern powertrain, brakes, and electricals.
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Not terribly old, but nowhere near new:
That Bertoni has to be the nicest modernized classic steel machine I've ever seen. It all just seems to "fit."

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Old 11-12-07, 10:27 AM   #5
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I'm getting ready to put 9-speed DA on my 80's Miyata. Has anyone used the Sheldon Brown method for re-spacing the rear drop-outs?
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Gorgeous bike, 'Lamplight'

That brooks looks killer on that bike.

~nuff said
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Old 11-12-07, 11:21 AM   #7
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That Bertoni has to be the nicest modernized classic steel machine I've ever seen. It all just seems to "fit."

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Wow, thanks Kurt!

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Gorgeous bike, 'Lamplight'

That brooks looks killer on that bike.

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And thank you! It actually has a Rolls on it right now, because I needed the Brooks for my Univega.
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No Brifters, but my Razesa has a 9 speed indexed downtube shifter one the right, controlling an 8-speed era Ultegra 600 derailer on an Ultegra 9-speed cassette and DA 8-speed cassette body on a 6-speed DA hub. The front is a Suntour derailer controlled with an older DA friction shifter pushing the chain up and down on a Campy GS crank. It all works great together. Shifting is WAY snappier than the old 6-speed corncob, and as an added bonus I've got a much wider gear range without loosing much in terms of close ratio spacing.

I guess you could say I fall into the hot rod it category. THis is one of the nicest frames of any age I've ever ridden, and modern gears and brakes make it better than new.

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Lamplight, here's my version of a Bertoni
1987 Corsamondiale with 8s Ergo Chorus/Record equipped.

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Great thread, great bikes. I'm in a quandry about my 80's Pinarello. Somebody put downtube cable stops where the shifters went and I recently bought a 2006 Campy Record crankset. What all do I need to go Campy with downtube shifters? Or should I just go with the ergo levers and keep the drivetrain modern?

I do not have fond memories of friction shifters but figured it was due to riding Muffy bikes. I'd really hate to spend a lot of time and money to go through the old push, push, push, there it is, gear shifting again.
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Here is mine: 85 Eddy Merckx Corsa with Shimano 7 speed group (mostly Dura Ace)

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Lamplight, here's my version of a Bertoni
1987 Corsamondiale with 8s Ergo Chorus/Record equipped.


Ah yes, one of the only Bertonis I've seen online besides mine! I really, really like the paint on yours. What a great looking bike! Sometimes mine looks a little over-done to me. I have no idea what model or year mine is, but I think it's early '90s judging by the TSX tubing.
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I'm working on upgrading a 1972 Paramount with 8-speed campy ergo index shifters. Just had to drill out the frame a bit this weekend to accept recessed chorus brakes. Next phase is getting the frame painted. I'll update with pictures when I'm further along.

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Wow, thanks Kurt!
You deserve the praise - it is a machine to be extremely proud of, that's for sure!

P.S.: Get that Brooks back on it!

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Ah yes, one of the only Bertonis I've seen online besides mine! I really, really like the paint on yours. What a great looking bike! Sometimes mine looks a little over-done to me. I have no idea what model or year mine is, but I think it's early '90s judging by the TSX tubing.
My BB (normal place underneath) has a 4 digit serial number, plus another code, A.7. Another BF'er helped me out. The A refers to the first 2 weeks of January. The 7 is for '87. Does yours have any similar looking code?

And thanks, love your Bertoni, too. This one I built for my daughter and it's just too small for me. I like the ride well enough that I'll be searching out a larger Bertoni to fit me.
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One of the great things about the old steel frames is their ability to adapt. My '87 Pinarello went from 7sp to 8sp to STI. The rear was easily spread to the wider axel width.
The new carbon frames won't be able to adapt should the standard change in the future.
CroMo can always be updated by a good frame builder.
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Wow that Bertoni IS nice, strangly enough Ive never heard of bertoni...

Im planning on doing this myself for my main ride next year... got all the parts just need a worthy frame to hang em on. Right now im pondering a newer (but classic looking) steel frame for a good price and may just go with that, on the plus side I wouldnt have to spread the triangle as its already spaced correctly... the sad thing is I'd really like something with a chromed rear triangle.
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You deserve the praise - it is a machine to be extremely proud of, that's for sure!

P.S.: Get that Brooks back on it!

-Kurt
Thanks again! I considered getting another Brooks for it, but I really don't ride the bike much, to be honest. And the Rolls is very fitting (but very uncomfortable!)

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My BB (normal place underneath) has a 4 digit serial number, plus another code, A.7. Another BF'er helped me out. The A refers to the first 2 weeks of January. The 7 is for '87. Does yours have any similar looking code?
Interesting. Mine says "56" on one side of the BB shell, which I assume is the size. And on the other side it just says "555". Maybe it's a '95?

Something interesting I recently discovered:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc...orres0207.html

It's nearly identical, except with a different name! I am assuming these two companies could have been related at some point. Anyone know for sure?
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Then you haven't seen my 1995 Raleigh r300 with RSX brifters, MKS platform pedals and black resin toeclips. I know, I know, I have no sense of style.

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That is the first time I have ever seen brifters with toeclips.

This thread reminds me of classic car restorers and collectors, who fall into three broad and over-generalized categories:
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3) Keep the body and overall shape, but freely build a hot rod with a modern powertrain, brakes, and electricals.
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Bossman, love the matching bottles. Are they stainless or extruded Al?
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Aluminum. Got 'em on close-out for less than $4 each, delivered. I bought several.

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