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Old 11-18-07, 03:30 PM   #1
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Rare??? Raleigh grand sports chrome

I just picked up a Raleigh Grand sports that looks just like the one in the 1970 catalog but every where I look for info it states it is beleived to have not been produced. It was made in Carlton factory. Odd thing also is in catalog It's called gran sports but on bike is Grand sports. Serial # is I82150. I know there has to be some raleigh experts out there that can shed some light on this for me. Both the retro raleigh site and the head badge site claim bike was never produced.


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Old 11-18-07, 07:17 PM   #2
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Well

I see your new also so I'll be the unofficial welcoming committee to the forum. Sorry I cant help you out on your question but I'm sure someone will. Maybe raleighs are not the type of bike that is considered very good by the forum. Maybe more the higher end stuff from italy.
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Old 11-18-07, 07:25 PM   #3
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I see your new also so I'll be the unofficial welcoming committee to the forum. Sorry I cant help you out on your question but I'm sure someone will. Maybe raleighs are not the type of bike that is considered very good by the forum. Maybe more the higher end stuff from italy.
Sorry, I'm not that familiar with the grand Sports model. But I would also think most on the forum have a very favorable appreciation for older Ralieghs. They were for alot of us our first experience with the "european lightweight" bicycles. From the Raliegh Sports 3 speeds to the ten speed racers, a Raliegh is a very reputable, distinguished manufacturer of bicycles. A picture of yours would help in identification.
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Old 11-18-07, 07:59 PM   #4
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Thanks Big and belladog
I dont have any pics but I do have the link to the retro raleigh site where it states above pic that it was maybe not made although as you can see in craigslist post it is same bike. I can get better pics outside and list components. Also looking for someone that knows serial #'s.



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Old 11-18-07, 08:44 PM   #5
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Is the serial # on the underside of the bottom bracket? And are you sure the second digit isn't a B instead of an 8? And if it's Carlton made, the first letter should be a W for Worksop. I've attached a serial # chart.

Seems like there was a fair amount of variation with model name, whether "Gran Sport" or "Grand Sports" or "Grand Sport." All-chrome, however, I've never seen. Post some pics, why don't you.

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I see your new also so I'll be the unofficial welcoming committee to the forum. Sorry I cant help you out on your question but I'm sure someone will. Maybe raleighs are not the type of bike that is considered very good by the forum. Maybe more the higher end stuff from italy.
?

Lot's of folks here love raleighs, from 3 speeds to lightweights and even the lower end models.

One of the (many) nice things about this forum is someone here probably loves and is knowledgeable on whatever bike comes up, whether it's from Italy, England, Japan, Sweden ect.
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Old 11-18-07, 08:54 PM   #7
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Thanks

The serial # is on the rear dropout. I will check in AM with my trusty reading glasses on and see what I can. Yes if you scrolled down on the catalog page you see essentially same bike. As I stated I will get some good pics in AM.

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I almost forgot about the alternative scheme for serial #s from the RetroRaleigh page: http://www.retroraleighs.com/dating.html. Scroll down to 1967-1973. However, those, too, are usually found under the bottom bracket. That's not to say your bike isn't a rare gem Grand Sports from 1970. I've had several Raleigh Super Courses from 1971 that had the serial # on the left-rear dropout, so who knows?

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Old 11-19-07, 12:15 PM   #9
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So the best I can tell the Serial number is182150 with no letters. This is on the rear dropout.
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Interesting. Sure looks like the 1970 model shown in the catalog page for that year. The headbadge is consistent with that time period as by 1971, Raleigh went back to the standard Heron. You have a rare one!

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Old 11-19-07, 12:45 PM   #11
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Thanks for the info

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thanks for your help and info. Quite the collection you have there. I also have quite a few but outside of the early Miyata six ten most are newer and really dont interest me that much. On to new ( older ) pursuits I guess.
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I'm bumpin this back to the top. That is some bike you have there. I've never seen one like it. You might have a true gem on your hands. Its a beautiful bike.
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Old 11-19-07, 05:48 PM   #13
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I see your new also so I'll be the unofficial welcoming committee to the forum. Sorry I cant help you out on your question but I'm sure someone will. Maybe raleighs are not the type of bike that is considered very good by the forum. Maybe more the higher end stuff from italy.
That spot is already filled. East Hill has it for life.
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Old 11-19-07, 06:09 PM   #14
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Now I'm afraid to bring it out

Not really but I will rethink how much riding it will get. It does ride very nicely. The previous owner took very good care of it.
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Old 11-19-07, 06:23 PM   #15
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Sixten-

That thing is righteous. What a beautiful bike. Can we get a few more pics, including the drivetrain, dropouts, and seat cluster?

Thanks for posting! Enjoy and take good care of that bad boy!

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Old 11-19-07, 06:30 PM   #16
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Lug pics Nervex?????

See, I know so little. Will get more pics soon. Also how do I add pics so the are just large on the page as some are?

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indeed it's gorgeous. another alternative could be that the bike was a model never imported into this country. I've yet to find English catalogs anywhere on the net...
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So i saw that some started

To respond. Looks like you got some good info and great looking bike.
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Wow Serious Lug action Baby
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WOW! That is a wonderful looking bike!

Here is a larger image from my brochure, same as the catalog photo used by Sheldon Brown, but this may show better detail and color.

... Sorry about the white spots on the left - flaws in the original catalog printing.

Here are the catalog specification details, exactly as stated:
GRAN SPORT
Model No. _ DL-160

Frame sizes - 21 1/2" - 23 1/2" - 25 1/2"
Colors _ Chrome plate with Coffee & Bronze Green
Frame _ Reynolds 531 Main Tubes
Lugs _ Nervex lugs
Handlebars _ Maes alloy
Stem _ AVA W/R stem bolt
Brakes _ Weinmann 999 with Quick Release Hand Lever
Crankset _ Zeus Cotterless 40/52
Rear Cog _ 14/28T
Chain _ Reynolds
Pedals _ Atom
Rims _ Weinmann 27 x 1 1/4"
Hubs _ Normandy Competition with Quick Release
Tires _ Dunlop High Pressure Road Racing
Saddle _ Brooks Professional
Seatpost _ Alloy
Gears _ Huret Luxe
Cables and Tapes _ Black
Extras _ Huret Spoke Proector
Weight _ 26 Lbs.
* Those brake hoods would be white vinyl marked "CARLTON"

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Maybe yours is the original catalogue centerfold model...if no others were built. Or not.

EDIT: With foam grips...and a different stem...and plastic lever grips...and different pedals...just some minor cosmetic surgery.
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I wouldn't trust that front brake!! Don't they make sure the bikes are assembled before taking their pictures? Hehe!,,,,BD
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I wouldn't trust that front brake!! Don't they make sure the bikes are assembled before taking their pictures? Hehe!,,,,BD
Lots of folks route their brake cables in front of the handlebars. I route mine over the top, as I would guess you do, as well.
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Straight-gauge (presumably) Reynolds 531 main triangle -- how does this differ from a Super Course? I like the coffee color, and I like the green, but I do not really care for the combination.
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I was talking about extremely loose looking cable? It's got a 1/2" bow in it. I bet it wouldn't
contact the rim at full squeeze.,,,,BD
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