Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Results 1 to 23 of 23

Thread: Campy RD ID

  1. #1
    Senior Member kpug505's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Puyallup Washington
    My Bikes
    Motobecane Mirage fixed gear, Nashbar Alpha Road 5000, Bianchi Grizzly, Coppi Fiorelli, , Schwinn Trike, , GT All Terra, Old Peugeot, Nishiki 3 speed, Bugatti, Cannondale Black Lightning, Dura All, Bianchi Touring, Bridgestone T700 & more
    Posts
    1,846
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Campy RD ID

    Am I correct in assuming that the RD'S in the upper left and right of the attached pic are 980 and victory? If so......where do they land in the lineup? Are they junk (If thats even possible with Campy)?
    Thanks,
    Kelly D

    Last edited by kpug505; 11-27-07 at 05:10 PM. Reason: Bad linky to pic

  2. #2
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    5,285
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    let me try to help you:

    Picture is here:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/21162852@N07/2057219435/

  3. #3
    Senior Member kpug505's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Puyallup Washington
    My Bikes
    Motobecane Mirage fixed gear, Nashbar Alpha Road 5000, Bianchi Grizzly, Coppi Fiorelli, , Schwinn Trike, , GT All Terra, Old Peugeot, Nishiki 3 speed, Bugatti, Cannondale Black Lightning, Dura All, Bianchi Touring, Bridgestone T700 & more
    Posts
    1,846
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Old Fat Guy View Post
    let me try to help you:

    Picture is here:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/21162852@N07/2057219435/
    Thanks, now if I could figure out why the linky didn't work..........

  4. #4
    Senior Member cyclotoine's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    YT
    Posts
    7,553
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    you have a triomphe or victory in the upper left and a 980 on the upper right. The bottom 2 are way cooler and more valuable! Flip over the victory/triomphe does it have an adjustable stop insert at the upper pivot or is it a cast stop? Either way both were notorious for breaking. I think both derailleurs work about as good as a nuovo record but are far more poorly finished. They has about zero collector value I'm afraid, a nice NOS victory might fetch $15 on ebay, 980... I don't even think any would bid.
    1 Super Record bike, 1 Nuovo Record bike, 1 Pista, 1 Road, 1 Cyclocross/Allrounder, 1 MTB, 1 Touring, 1 Fixed gear

  5. #5
    juneeaa memba!
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    boogled up in...Idaho!
    My Bikes
    Crap. The box is not big enough...
    Posts
    5,611
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    yep. Victory and 980. 980 was close to the bottom, but the victory stuff was considered and priced near the top when it was released by Campy. it was very largely a styling exercise on top of the same technology that powered Nuovo Record, though, and wasn't very well received by the consumer. I think that it all works at least as well as the NR stuff, and you can run smaller inner chainrings (if you can find any, I think campy was the only one to use 116, and I've never seen anything smaller than 42 teeth). The brakes are a cross between the triangular arms of the new Record and the quick release of the nuovo gran sports...wierd, but they worked better than the gran sports...

  6. #6
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    5,285
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by kpug505 View Post
    Thanks, now if I could figure out why the linky didn't work..........
    You have to link directly to the picture. I'm not sure how Flickr works, but you should link to the jpg file itself, not img tags around the page.

  7. #7
    Senior Member kpug505's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Puyallup Washington
    My Bikes
    Motobecane Mirage fixed gear, Nashbar Alpha Road 5000, Bianchi Grizzly, Coppi Fiorelli, , Schwinn Trike, , GT All Terra, Old Peugeot, Nishiki 3 speed, Bugatti, Cannondale Black Lightning, Dura All, Bianchi Touring, Bridgestone T700 & more
    Posts
    1,846
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by cyclotoine View Post
    you have a triomphe or victory in the upper left and a 980 on the upper right. The bottom 2 are way cooler and more valuable! Flip over the victory/triomphe does it have an adjustable stop insert at the upper pivot or is it a cast stop? Either way both were notorious for breaking. I think both derailleurs work about as good as a nuovo record but are far more poorly finished. They has about zero collector value I'm afraid, a nice NOS victory might fetch $15 on ebay, 980... I don't even think any would bid.
    Speaking of the bottom two (the Huret specifically). Is it true it will only fit on a specific dropout? If so is there a kit to make it go on something else without damage to the derailer (why is that word so damn hard to spell?)or frame?

  8. #8
    Senior Member cyclotoine's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    YT
    Posts
    7,553
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by kpug505 View Post
    Speaking of the bottom two (the Huret specifically). Is it true it will only fit on a specific dropout? If so is there a kit to make it go on something else without damage to the derailer (why is that word so damn hard to spell?)or frame?
    Afraid I can't tell you, we need CV-6 in here to tell us about the french. Don't worry derailleur gets real easy once you'd typed it 1000 times.
    1 Super Record bike, 1 Nuovo Record bike, 1 Pista, 1 Road, 1 Cyclocross/Allrounder, 1 MTB, 1 Touring, 1 Fixed gear

  9. #9
    If I own it, I ride it CV-6's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Cardinal Country
    My Bikes
    Not enough space for all of them
    Posts
    3,377
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by kpug505 View Post
    Speaking of the bottom two (the Huret specifically). Is it true it will only fit on a specific dropout? If so is there a kit to make it go on something else without damage to the derailer (why is that word so damn hard to spell?)or frame?
    AFAIK, the Mavic should take a standard d/o. I do not know about the Huret...never had one to play with.
    Lynn Travers

    Photos

    ISO: Lejeune Champion du Monde Ultra Leger Reynolds 753, 53-55cm

  10. #10
    vjp
    vjp is offline
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    2,140
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The 980 is a good winter/beater/bar-bike derailleur if you want campy on your ride, works fine, finish is gulag style.

    The Mavic is a great derailleur! One of my bigger regrets is selling my complete SSC (YES COMPLETE!!) Zinn. Even bigger regret was getting REALLY fat while bikeless for 15 years.

  11. #11
    www.theheadbadge.com cudak888's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Southern Florida
    My Bikes
    http://www.theheadbadge.com
    Posts
    22,731
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Sorry, Luker doesn't have it right.

    Cyclotine hit it on the nose with Triomphe and 980 (990 had a restyled pulley cage), respectively.

    Neither work well with corncobs unless the derailer hanger stop sits particularly forward (for some reason, Campag designed both parallelograms to sit perfectly vertical - bad idea), and they don't work too well with wide-range either.

    -Kurt

  12. #12
    juneeaa memba!
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    boogled up in...Idaho!
    My Bikes
    Crap. The box is not big enough...
    Posts
    5,611
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by CV-6 View Post
    AFAIK, the Mavic should take a standard d/o. I do not know about the Huret...never had one to play with.
    it looks like you are missing the vital, and rare, and very expensive washer that adjusts the angle of the Mavic derailleur (it goes between the dropout and the derailleur, and no, I ain't kidding). I have one on a vitus that I jimmied to work by hand crafting a replacement washer, but it was not easy and it doesn't hold up to close looks. works good though. I cut a washer and bent a flap up to hold the derailleur, and bent a flap down to rest on the dropout stop. Like I said, it doesn't hold up to close looks.

    works good, though.

  13. #13
    juneeaa memba!
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    boogled up in...Idaho!
    My Bikes
    Crap. The box is not big enough...
    Posts
    5,611
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
    Sorry, Luker doesn't have it right.

    Cyclotine hit it on the nose with Triomphe and 980 (990 had a restyled pulley cage), respectively.

    Neither work well with corncobs unless the derailer hanger stop sits particularly forward (for some reason, Campag designed both parallelograms to sit perfectly vertical - bad idea), and they don't work too well with wide-range either.

    -Kurt
    yep. fooled again. The victory has thicker cage plates and hex head fasteners; the triomphe has thinner plates and the jockey wheels are held in with bolts and nuts. Victory has shaped pivot bolt heads; triomphe are flat...victory jockey wheels are white.

    For shame, for shame...I blush crimson (this is the second time I've made this mistake!)

  14. #14
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    8,175
    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by CV-6 View Post
    AFAIK, the Mavic should take a standard d/o. I do not know about the Huret...never had one to play with.
    Huret made different versions of the Jubilee, one for their own dropout, one for Campagnolo (and its dimension clones) And runor had it, a third.

    Long ago there was an adapter washer marketed, good luck in locating it. It had offset and opposing stops to make up the difference in stop placement of Huret and Campagnolo.

    Many, but not all "take off" Huret Jubilee's are from Raleigh Competitions, and were mated to Huret dropouts (to confuse things Huret also made a dropout with Campagnolo form factors)

    Been a while since I had one in the hand to provide more info, the Huret forward stop (it uses two, fore and aft) is more forward and therefore up compared to Campagnolo.

    The Jubilee is a good unit, and light about 133 grams. my problem aside from fitment, is that it needs more cable displacement to effect a gear change than most others, and the Huret shifters (with a larger diameter spool) needed for this came band on or designed for the often single sided braze on as seen on many French frames, never seen a version to adapt to Campagnolo brazeons, I am sure it can be done, with a mill and or lathe.

    The front mechanisms are by reputation fragile, but they came in two clamp sizes, 28 and 28.6 and should not be interchanged, and that is the root of the bad reputation.

  15. #15
    www.theheadbadge.com cudak888's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Southern Florida
    My Bikes
    http://www.theheadbadge.com
    Posts
    22,731
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by luker View Post
    yep. fooled again. The victory has thicker cage plates and hex head fasteners; the triomphe has thinner plates and the jockey wheels are held in with bolts and nuts. Victory has shaped pivot bolt heads; triomphe are flat...victory jockey wheels are white.

    For shame, for shame...I blush crimson (this is the second time I've made this mistake!)
    Wrong again! Both Victory and Triomphe use hex-head fasteners, although you are correct that the fasteners are flat on the Triomphe, and domed + recessed on the Victory RDs.

    The Triomphe's plates do not differ in thickness, rather, the inner plate is steel VS. the Victory's aluminum, and the outer plate is sculpted more smoothly. Probably the largest difference between the two is the Victory's adjustable parallelogram stop, which allows the parallelogram to be pivoted forward considerably - even at it's steepest setting, the Victory parallelogram sits considerably farther forward then the Triomphe.

    Triomphe:


    Victory:



    A small but notable revision came in '86, revising the original Triomphe and Victory RD designs with a small nylon slot-style washer to better retain the limit screws in place:

    '85:


    '86:



    However, when the Victory and Triomphe groups became Victory S3 and Triomphe S3 in 1987, the two derailer designs were melded into a single design, based on a re-styled Victory; top and cage bolts gained "Brev. Campagnolo" lettering, limit stop screws were enlarged with springs to keep them in adjustment, as opposed to a nylon washer, and the pulley cage was redesigned once again. The adjustable stop was retained for both groups, which used the exact same derailer at this point. The new look is a bit too chunky in appearance for my tastes:

    Triomphe S3/Victory S3:



    The design shown above recieved a further revision in 1988, wherein the classy, engraved Campagnolo shield logo was dumped in favor of the silkscreened Campagnolo cursive lettering:

    1988 Victory S3/Triomphe S3:


    That pretty much sums it up.

    -Kurt
    Last edited by cudak888; 11-28-07 at 02:30 PM.

  16. #16
    Senior Member kpug505's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Puyallup Washington
    My Bikes
    Motobecane Mirage fixed gear, Nashbar Alpha Road 5000, Bianchi Grizzly, Coppi Fiorelli, , Schwinn Trike, , GT All Terra, Old Peugeot, Nishiki 3 speed, Bugatti, Cannondale Black Lightning, Dura All, Bianchi Touring, Bridgestone T700 & more
    Posts
    1,846
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Wow! Lots of info! I haven't really decided what to do with any of this stuff. It came in a big box of parts. I would mostly be interested in getting the Huret and the Mavic on something if I ever get something worthy and get a group of parts to compliment them. I'll have to see about that washer for the Mavic. There were alot of loose odds and ends in there. Thanks guys! Your the greatest!

    Kelly D.

  17. #17
    feros ferio John E's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2000
    Location
    www.ci.encinitas.ca.us
    My Bikes
    1959 Capo; 1980 Peugeot PKN-10; 1981 Bianchi; 1988 Schwinn KOM-10;
    Posts
    14,682
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by vjp View Post
    The 980 is a good winter/beater/bar-bike derailleur if you want campy on your ride, works fine, finish is gulag style. ...
    True. I suppose I really should put something nicer-looking on the Capo, but I bought the 980 for $5 at a yard sale, and it works better than the original worn out Gran Sport.
    "Early to bed, early to rise. Work like hell, and advertise." -- George Stahlman
    Capo [dschaw'-poe]: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger, S/N 42624
    Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
    Bianchi: 1981 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
    Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069

  18. #18
    juneeaa memba!
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    boogled up in...Idaho!
    My Bikes
    Crap. The box is not big enough...
    Posts
    5,611
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
    Wrong again!
    Triomphe:


    Victory:



    A-Kurt
    whew...we got details...no. I was right. Read it again. The bolts that hold the jockey wheels on - with Triomphe they are nutted, and with Victory they are hex head fasteners...

  19. #19
    www.theheadbadge.com cudak888's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Southern Florida
    My Bikes
    http://www.theheadbadge.com
    Posts
    22,731
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by luker View Post
    whew...we got details...no. I was right. Read it again. The bolts that hold the jockey wheels on - with Triomphe they are nutted, and with Victory they are hex head fasteners...
    My mistake - thought you meant the pivot bolts. As for the jockey wheel bolts, you've got it pegged right. The Triomphe, incidentally, has Phillips-screw heads on the other side of the nutted fasteners.

    -Kurt

  20. #20
    crotchety young dude el twe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    SF, CA
    My Bikes
    IRO Angus; Casati Gold Line; Redline 925; '72 Schwinn Olympic Paramount
    Posts
    4,818
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by luker View Post
    it looks like you are missing the vital, and rare, and very expensive washer that adjusts the angle of the Mavic derailleur (it goes between the dropout and the derailleur, and no, I ain't kidding). I have one on a vitus that I jimmied to work by hand crafting a replacement washer, but it was not easy and it doesn't hold up to close looks. works good though. I cut a washer and bent a flap up to hold the derailleur, and bent a flap down to rest on the dropout stop. Like I said, it doesn't hold up to close looks.

    works good, though.
    eBay to the rescue!

    http://cgi.ebay.com/MAVIC-SSC-AND-PR...QQcmdZViewItem
    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacKid View Post
    I explained that he could never pay me enough cash for the amount of work I had put into that bike and the only way to compensate me for it was to ride the hell out of it.
    IRO Angus Casati Gold Line

  21. #21
    Senior Member kpug505's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Puyallup Washington
    My Bikes
    Motobecane Mirage fixed gear, Nashbar Alpha Road 5000, Bianchi Grizzly, Coppi Fiorelli, , Schwinn Trike, , GT All Terra, Old Peugeot, Nishiki 3 speed, Bugatti, Cannondale Black Lightning, Dura All, Bianchi Touring, Bridgestone T700 & more
    Posts
    1,846
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by el twe View Post
    Dang!!!!!!! It just ended! I need to pay better attention! Oh well, at least I know what I am looking for now!

    thanks,
    Kelly D

  22. #22
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Lancaster County, PA
    My Bikes
    '39 Hobbs, '58 Marastoni, '73 Italian custom, '75 Wizard, '76 Wilier, '78 Tom Kellogg, '79 Colnago Super, '79 Sachs, '81 Masi Prestige, '82 Cuevas, '83 Picchio Special, '84 Murray-Serotta, '85 Trek 170, '89 Bianchi, '90 Bill Holland, '94 Grandis
    Posts
    5,063
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by repechage View Post
    Long ago there was an adapter washer marketed, good luck in locating it. It had offset and opposing stops to make up the difference in stop placement of Huret and Campagnolo.
    Is that the same as the one used on the Duopars? It might be possible to source a used steel Duopar Eco for that washer, if they're the same.

  23. #23
    Senior Member kpug505's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Puyallup Washington
    My Bikes
    Motobecane Mirage fixed gear, Nashbar Alpha Road 5000, Bianchi Grizzly, Coppi Fiorelli, , Schwinn Trike, , GT All Terra, Old Peugeot, Nishiki 3 speed, Bugatti, Cannondale Black Lightning, Dura All, Bianchi Touring, Bridgestone T700 & more
    Posts
    1,846
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Picchio Special View Post
    Is that the same as the one used on the Duopars? It might be possible to source a used steel Duopar Eco for that washer, if they're the same.
    That would be cool 'cause I happen to know someone with one.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •