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Old 12-01-07, 11:21 AM   #1
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supercycle.

I am about to tear into, what id consider a vintage bike. I hate supercycle...this is a supercycle, with a sturmey archer hub i want. The frame says "made in england", and it sports its sisters shoes; raleigh. I could get the serial if its neccesary, but im just wanting to know if im hurting a bike which has significance historically? I dont like supercycle cause i associate them with being a mass marketed production based heartless company who only cares about sales and not cycling. And in fact their production of bikes without innovation or care has only defaced what cycling can be. This said, there is a part i want on one of them...and i think sturmey archer is a noble company, well more so than supercycle. anyone want to shed some light on these dim opinions? am i defacing a lost purer ideology from a company now sold out? schwinn comes to mind.
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Supercycle of today is a joke.
My girlfriend's boys ride a pair of 'then' new Supercycle MTBs purchased for them.
They know nothing of bicycling, so I had to step in to do the wrenching. Two same model bikes, with parts that didn't match. WTF! Like as if whatever was dumped in their parts bin. Poor assembly, constantly going out of tune. Horrible.

If the old bike has any form of quality, and is ridable, save it. If a part is better served elsewhere on a better more prized bike.....well, I wouldn't shed a tear.
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Dunno - it sounds like you may have a pieced-together thing there. I just did a little research on the web and am concluding that this brand matches American Huffy's almost exactly, and of course, you get what you pays for. If you have a vintage one, then maybe they were once made better, but I couldn't find any evidence of that...and apparently they have a propensity for self-destructing back wheels - that would explain the sturmey archer rear -

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my digital is shot or i would. I researched sturmey, cause i think they are a sweet hub. They have been making hubs since 1910ish i believe, and in the 20's and onward i have found some very interesting internal gear/cable drum brake innovations which took place on there designs. Sturmey as i far as i know is an english company, as is raleigh, and they had some sort of merger take place in our not so long ago history (60's?), hence the raleigh tires on this "made in england" supercycle frame with sturmey hub. supercycle, although now considered a canadian company, in this case, seems to most definitely have an affiliation with raleigh and sturmey. The bike is from an old couple down the road that cant ride anymore, it is as new, and thats party why i dont want to tear it down, however i cant see them buying anything more than a department store bike. that said, department stores of the 60's should not carry the same stigma of todays **** holes. sturmey as far as i know was bought out by sun race of taiwan in 2000 and will continue to manufacture there internal hubs. anyways...i think im gonna go strip it down; **** supercycle
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'Yous gets whats yous pays for.'

(What did you expect?)


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supercycles are just supercycles cause thats the sticker that was put on the frame someone else built, yours coulda possibly been built by raleigh since its english yeah. CCM usually built the single speed cruiser ones back in the day.
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(What did you expect?)


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ok, what? Im expecting some insight as to whether or not a certain complete bicycle in mint condition from the 60/70's time period may to some have a historical value. I dont want to tear into a bike only for its hub and wreck what someone else may get wet for as only a complete. I was thinking there would be someone who knew whether this cycle was desired or not.

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Everything 'historical', but what of it's

Age?
Rarity?
Construction details?
Maker's reputation?
Appearance?
Condition?
Accessories?
Colour? (CDA)
Color? (U S A)
Provinence?

Value? (in the eye of the beholder)


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Old 12-01-07, 10:16 PM   #11
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It's not like you have to melt down the frame to harvest the rear hub. Use the hub where ever and however you desire.

In the extremely unlikely event of Mr. Moneybags Canuck knocking on your door because he heard a rumour of the mythical "holy grail" of Canadian Tire history residing in your garage, you can with a few twists of a wrench send him away a happy man.
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the bike guy...it is mint, and good news was i was out snooping in the "pile" last night and found some more sturmey hubs on far less together bicycles, so no more dillema. but it has made me interested in the whole whoring out of cnd tire products. Ive come across some frames made in poland as well. The point to this thread was i didnt want to see anything of this age/completion be torn apart. then i began to read about the outsourcing of all supercycles, and then began to realize supercycle is then one of the more interesting "brands" out there. The "made in england" in pinstriped style lettering is what first made me take a second look, as did the intricate lugs which are not common as i know of on supercycles.

as for the value, im more interested in its historical significance... the partnering...under what circumstances...and for how long/why did it cease; are all interesting aspects of this type of outsourcing to me. i run a "free bike" program which is just getting off its feet, non of these bikes are for sale, however i do borrow parts off of some to make others ride able, as was to be the case here.
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I dont see how interesting a brand supercycle can be, they're just like any other department store bike, no more different than a huffy. They were just more "affordable" bikes, the same bikes without the more popular name brand placed on it and usually slightly crappier parts hung on em. Its not any different today either - sure the bikes were probably better quality in the old days but so was everything else., Instead of 30 pounds of crappy aluminum like today they were 30 pounds of crappy steel back then, and in my opinion so were the "good" versions of the same bike. A Raleigh sports 3 speed is just as crappy to me as a supercycle one, no offence to the people who like those bikes of course. The supercycle road bikes were a joke as well, and so are the original CCM ones or bridgestone or whoever else built em, none of those companies even really made a serious racing bike, they just made bikes which slightly resembled racing bikes cause it was the fashion at the time.
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OH, HO!

I had better get to you before 'The Bike Guy', does!

CCM, aside from building 'affordable', bikes, constructed the 'FLYER'!

It was a 'fixe', for the six day bike races. c/w pinned/brazed frame, Major Taylor 'Bars, and

wooden tub rims!

I will post a pic later next week. (I hope)


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Supercycle are at the bottom end of the bicycle food chain. They were intended to provide an alternative for those who could not afford "brand" names. Basically, they competed with the house brands offered by the big Canadian department stores such as Eaton's and Simpson-Sears and to-day with the likes of Wal-Mart, Zeller's, Sports Eexperts, etc. Canadian Tire places tenders for various bicycle configurations which the potential suppliers bid on. Often, they have numerous suppliers within a various year, as Company A may come in with the lowest cost on a 3-speed, while Company B could have the lowest price on a 5-speed city bicycle and Company C the lowest on a 10 speed racer. Raleigh is undoubtedly one of the longest term and largest suppliers, but I could probably name at least twenty.

What is interesting about the OP's bicycle is that it was made in England. The implication is that is probably at least 35 years old. Given the condition and assumed age, there is undoubtedly some value, though maybe not a lot. However, I think it warrants an investigation of the frame's serial number and/or date code which is on the Sturmey-Archer hub.
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I bought a mens and ladies 3spd SuperCycles for $40 at a garage sale last summer.
Both had SA hubs and Raliegh seats and I figured they were late 60's- early 70's by the date on the hub.
I bought a SuperCycle from the 70's that was a Puch or Iverson.
Value? Where I live (Regina) $10-$40.
Rarity? Not really as you can see them parked on driveways every spring when the garbage sales start up.
I would take the hub off without a second thought if I needed it for another bike.
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I have seen a late 60s Royal Scot(which is another rebadged Raleigh) sell for $300 on e-bay.So who knows,it could be worth more than you think.

That is true today.The bikes are of poor quality and fit.

Raleigh was the only supplier from England.They had a monopoly on the bike market in G.B.,China,and the Netherlands.

It doesn't make much sense to strip a perfectly running bike just for the hub.There were literally millions of bikes equipped with Sturmey Archer hubs.
Now,I know they aren't aluma-titanium flyweight campy equipped racers but not everybody wants something like that.The only bragging right would be that you don't have to constantly adjust anything on them.Rock solid dependable.That's what I look for in a bike.One I don't have to screw with all the time.
Where I live and you live are two very different things. That's why I said "where I live".
I paid $50 for my Marinoni Special.
I paid $20 for my factory new 1977 folding Twenty.


$20 for my as new 77' Sprite.


$50 for my Velo Sport Everest touring bike complete with factory racks, luggage and lighting.
As my list goes on and on. All bikes between free to $50.

I bought this CCM for $20, and gave it to my sister in law in Toronto.
A 3 spd CCM like this is most likely worth more in Toronto than Regina.


I would strip the hub off that early SuperCycle if I needed it.
I could buy another bike just like it the next weekend for $20.
So no. Its not worth more than I think, to me, where I live.
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IThat is true today.The bikes are of poor quality and fit today.

Raleigh was the only supplier from England.They had a monopoly on the bike market in G.B.,China,and the Netherlands.
Supercycle may be very economically priced, but I would not say that they are of poor quality or fit. The perceived problems with brands like Supercyle relate to the owners who abuse the bicycles and do not perform any maintenance on them.

While Raleigh was definitely the largest of the English manufacturers, they were not a monopoly. That would be similar to saying that Schwinn had a monopoly in the USA and CCM had one in Canada. All three had the biggest market shares in their home country, but there were other manufacturers. In Raleigh's case, their share of the British market peaked at about 75%.
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Given that Supercycle, along other X-Mart type bicycles, are the least expensive bicycles in North American marketplace, I can understand why you think you are not impressed. However, you are looking at a glass that is 1/2 empty, while I look at it as being 1/2 full. I find it totally amazing that they can offer a Canadian manufactured, multi-speed, adult bicycle for under $100 CDN. That's the same price as a name brand, entry level lightweight from the early 1970s. Given the increases in labour and material costs, that's astounding. Factor in the fact that it is lighter due to more aluminum parts and has user-friendly featured such as indexed shifting, and it becomes almost unbelievable.

As for them being "crappy", the workmanship is on par with the entry bicycles of 35 years ago. I have worked on literally thousands of Supercycles over the years and the vast majority of problems come down to two categories. First, the users tend to abuse the bicycles. The majority of these bicycles are used by children and teenagers who have no respect for them. To-day, kids are driven almost everywhere. The bicycle has become a toy and is no longer a prized method of transportation. It is viewed by most as disposable product, meant to last 2-3 years.

Secondly, most of the bicycles are not assembled and adjusted properly. Due to the low profit margins, these stores hire cheap labour, primarily high school students who know little or nothing about bicycle mechanisms. Consequenetly, return rates and customer dissatisfaction is high.

If these bicycles are properly assembled, adjusted and ridden and maintained as intended, they are dependable transportation. When you say people want "dependable" transporatation, what you really mean is "maintenance-free". No bicycle is maintenance free, but the typical Supercycle/X-Mart owner cannot even be bothered to oil the chain. Any maintenance is performed only after a problem has surfaced. Preventative mainenetence is a foreign word. Even a much more expensive bicycle would not survive the abuse and lack of manitenance that most Supercycle owners subject their bicycles to, especially if they were not properly assembled and adjusted in the first place.

This is not to say that Supercycle/X-mart bicycles are manufactured to the same level of standards as more expensive bicycles and are not subject to periodic quality control issues. However, they are cheap, reliable transportation provided they are properly assmebled, maintained and ridden responsibly. The vast majority of the problems are actually created by the owner and secondly, by the unskilled labour employed by the stores.

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