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Old 12-07-07, 06:27 PM   #1
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Tell me something about these Raleighs...

SORRY EAST HILL, NO PICTURES...now that that is out of the way...

Soooo...I stopped in this little bike shop I hadn't seen before, a little place off the beaten path and they had at least a half dozen of so vintage lightweights as well as a boatload of old bmx stuff and some old Schwinn cruiser that appeared to be nicely restored. Two bikes stood out to me, these two Raleighs. Actually I'm pretty sure what models they were since the decals were still on the bikes but I'd like a little more info about them like what year they might be and maybe how much to offer the guy if I should decide to.

Bike #1: Raleigh Professional - white with Carlton decal on the seat tube, full Reynolds 531 frame/fork, full Campagnolo Nuovo Record, pre-CPSC no lip FD, no date code on the RD, just "PATENT" except for Dia-Compe brake levers, honey Brooks Professional, high flange Record hubs, looked like maybe Campy 1010 long slot dropouts or similar, Rigida clincher rims about 20mm wide (dangit, didn't notice if they were 700C or 27"). Oddities were braze on cable guides on the top tube (I would have expected clamps), braze on cable stops for the Suntour barcons it was sporting (again I would have expected a clamp), SR handlebar and stem, and an oval headbadge with the bird instead of just the bird itself. Excellent condition, needed cleaning and polishing but no rust, dents, or scratches that I noticed.

Bike #2: Raleigh "Campagnolo Grand Sport" - sort of faded gold color, full Reynolds 531 frame/fork, Campagnolo Super Record, post CPSC FD with lip except for crank which was either Athena or early Chorus and brake levers whcih I don't recall what they were, Turbo saddle, low flange Record hubs, Gipiemme medium slot dropouts, MAVIC MA40 rims, very good condition, again needed cleaning and polishing but no rust, had a small dent on the top tube and scratches on the crank that could probably be polished out.

I rather liked the Professional. If that's not enough to make to get a good idea what these are I can probably go back and take pictures tomorrow.

Thanks Everyone.

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Old 12-07-07, 06:33 PM   #2
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uh, yeah, kommisar... uh, well, uh, i think if we knew where these little beauties... i mean old bikes actually were, we could give you a really good idea of what they are worth... uh, yeah, so if you could just... ah... whisper it to me...

"hello, travel agent? book me a flight to somewhere in colorado, fast!"

brother, damn! grab those things.
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Old 12-07-07, 06:39 PM   #3
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uh, yeah, kommisar... uh, well, uh, i think if we knew where these little beauties... i mean old bikes actually were, we could give you a really good idea of what they are worth... uh, yeah, so if you could just... ah... whisper it to me...

"hello, travel agent? book me a flight to somewhere in colorado, fast!"

brother, damn! grab those things.
Well, it ain't like they're at a thrift store. They want actual real live money. I'd have to make a legit offer. He told me they tried to eBay the Grand Sport, expecting to get around $700, had 54 watchers but only got $285 or so which didn't meet the Reserve but clearly the guy wasn't really sure what they should go for. I'm sure that Grand Sport would have gone for $700 easy id it had the original crank and didn't have the dent in the top tube but I'm not really interested in that one. The Professional on the other hand...
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Looking at the catalogues on Sheldon Brown's website, your description of the Professional appears consistent with the 1969 model.
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Looking at the catalogues on Sheldon Brown's website, your description of the Professional appears consistent with the 1969 model.
Except for braze-on cable stops for SunTour bar con shifters. It would not have had those braze-ons, and would instead, have Nuovo Record downtube shifters.

There's a rash of those bikes coming out of the woodwork now. I'll hopefully have mine back tomorrow (Fed Ex willing).
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Looking at the catalogues on Sheldon Brown's website, your description of the Professional appears consistent with the 1969 model.
That does look a lot like it - same fork crown and no chrome lugs or anything. And I think that is consistant with there being no date code on the rear Nuovo Record derailleur. Not sure if that seat tube decal looks right. I can't remember but it clearly says "Carlton" on it and I don't see that on the catalog one but that might just be the picture quality. I remember it has those "semi-wrap around" seat stays too if that matters.

Oh wait - the one in the picture doesn't have Nuovo Record brakes - I'm pretty sure this one does. Does that matter? Not sure if that was an option or could have been added later by the owner.

Keeping in mind that it's missing the original stem, handlebars and shifters and has those braze-ons added for the Suntour barcons, any idea what would be a fair price to offer for it?
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