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Old 12-11-07, 05:23 PM   #1
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Dating campy high flange track hubs part 2

I looked on the back of the axle nut and it say camp and what looks like the number 11 could it be 77. The print is very small and I have poor eyes. When did they start using the oil port, because my hubs have oil ports on them. T-mar was helpful last time maybe you would be able to help. These are campy record track hubs if that makes a difference.

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I believe the 11 signifies 1985.
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The oil port covers were a feature almost forever, like from the late 50's (whenever they first released the Record Cranks). The oil port covers are still a feature of the latest Record hubs; at least the Eurus Record hubs have 'em (silver clips on black).
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I don't believe that the older high flange track hubs had oilers only the road version, someone may have replaced the axles. Do your hubs have threading for a lock ring? Are the flange holes oval/kidney shaped?
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there were many oddities with campy hubs, tipo hubs with oval cutouts etc... I have seen many a 77 stamps where they top is quite short and you might think they are ones but I am guessing that you have 77s.
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If it is 11 not 77 would that be 85' like el twe said. I am not positive but I thought on track hubs they didn't have the oil ports until the 80's. I have the lockring and it has the <c>(like that) inside a diamond and I thought that campy used those both in the late 70's and 80's on their lockrings. Its a fine line between oval and kidney shape, but I would say kidney shaped. Thanks for all the help. Campy never makes it easy.

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My camera can't pick up the details that would help. They look like campy high flage track hubs with the black oil port ring and the campagnolo threw the globe with record beneath it. The wholes are kidney shaped. More curious about dating and I camera isn't able to pick up that fine detail. They are lace to mavic open 4 cd's with the yellow and blue label, that might help with dating.

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My camera can't pick up the details that would help. They look like campy high flage track hubs with the black oil port ring and the campagnolo threw the globe with record beneath it. The wholes are kidney shaped. More curious about dating and I camera isn't able to pick up that fine detail. They are lace to mavic open 4 cd's with the yellow and blue label, that might help with dating.

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If shapes will not work, how many styling holes per flange? Don't count spoke holes. They read like later Record hubs, perhaps modified. the black oxide cuff clip in the center was a feature of the Record Strada (road) hubs until replaced by the now super expensive high flange Corsa Record and Record pista hubs, commonly called "sherriff" star as the five styling holes through each flange appear like a deputy sherrif's star.
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I know they are campy record (6 hole) high flange track hubs not the sheriff stars, I am trying to date the hubs and the only way I heard of is from the axle nut. T-mar previously told me that is the best way to date campy record track hubs. It is 11 or 77 on the nut and I tend to agree with el-twe that 11 stands for 85 , but that is the coding on campy cranks. Is it the same for track hubs ? Thanks for all the effort.

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I have never heard of the 11 date code being used on anything other than super record cranks. I have my doubts about that one. But it is possible. I guess the holes are not oval but that is just how I distinguish them from from circular. I guess they would be more of a bean shape.
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I have never heard of the 11 date code being used on anything other than super record cranks. I have my doubts about that one. But it is possible. I guess the holes are not oval but that is just how I distinguish them from from circular. I guess they would be more of a bean shape.
I have a set of Campy Lambda wheels. Cone locknuts are stamped 41.
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I have a set of Campy Lambda wheels. Cone locknuts are stamped 41.
so be it. good to know.
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The oil port covers were a feature almost forever, like from the late 50's (whenever they first released the Record Cranks). The oil port covers are still a feature of the latest Record hubs; at least the Eurus Record hubs have 'em (silver clips on black).
I have NEVER seen Super Record or Record TRACK hubs with oil holes. They were made with the "RECORD" inscription below the Campagnolo logo from around 1967 to perhaps around 1985 - but without oil holes. No catalogs show them with oil holes either.

So, assuming the holes and clips are original [and not simply bored out by a previous owner] you may have some very rare production run goofs and possibly worth a GREAT deal of money to a collector of Campy curiosities... although, I suspect there would now be no way to actually authenticate the factory originality of this, since they are used. ~ [Hmmm, that could be a good eBay scam to run...]

Unless the hubs are brand new, it would be virtually impossible to date them by the date codes on the lock nuts. We've often changed complete axle "sets" on hubs including new cones, washers and lock nuts, so there really is no way of knowing the actual age of any used hubs. I probably have enough spare Campy Record lock nuts to fabricate around 10 different specifically dated years of hub sets if I really wanted to match them to a specific bike... But, why bother, since they are all exactly the same during this period anyway. And anyone obsessively building up a bike in that detail would probably be building a new-old-stock frameset, and would also want entirely new components to match.

I suspect rims and spokes could have been changed over the years too. So, those are not really a good indicator of age either.

There actually was a super-light Super Record Track hub set made, beginning around 1973. These were outwardly identical to the Record hubs, but they had Titanium axles and TI outer Track lock nuts [otherwise they used same parts as the Record Track hubs]. These were out of production by some time before 1982, at very latest - after which the standard Record hubs were used as part of the the Super Record group. So, TI axles and TI Track nuts might be a way to realistically narrow down the age of the hubs [or perhaps I should say, the age of the AXLES] - just a little.

I believe any Track hubs with TI axle sets would probably be worth big bucks! Apart from this, a used Record Track hub is a used Record Track hub. - And, regardless of what dated lock nuts you have on or might put on it. They were always top quality and their value is really a matter of overall condition.
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I will try to take pictures, but my camera is garbage, to much glare. These are definitely record track hubs and the oil ports are true to the hubs not bored by someone. I have seen the same exact ports on campy road hubs so I have a reference. Quick story: I bought them off a guy who had them in his basement collecting dust. He said he didn't remember he got them sometime in early 80's. He said he used them one season on the track out in California. Took them home cleaned them up and the look like new I mean brand new. They are true and spin forever, only rims have very light wear. I am just being anal trying to get their exact dating. Thanks for all the effort.

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I have never heard of the 11 date code being used on anything other than super record cranks...
Had a set of Campy wheels with the 11 date code. The 11 is on the outside (recessed) side of the locknut. Wouldn't 77 still be on the inside, as the OP seems to indicate?
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Sorry, I took the locknut off, because I was told it would be on the inside them realized it was on the outside that it said camp and 11. Are your wheels that have the 11 date code from 85' then.

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Sorry, I took the locknut off, because I was told it would be on the inside them realized it was on the outside that it said camp and 11. Are your wheels that have the 11 date code from 85' then. Why did campy make it so hard to date ?
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I will try to take pictures, but my camera is garbage, to much glare. These are definitely record track hubs and the oil ports are true to the hubs not bored by someone. I have seen the same exact ports on campy road hubs so I have a reference. Quick story: I bought them off a guy who had them in his basement collecting dust. He said he didn't remember he got them sometime in early 80's. He said he used them one season on the track out in California. Took them home cleaned them up and the look like new I mean brand new. They are true and spin forever, only rims have very light wear. I am just being anal trying to get their exact dating. Thanks for all the effort.

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get the parts in some good light and turn the flash on your camera off. if it has macro settings you can play with exposure length to get some good pics with no flash.
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Sorry, I took the locknut off, because I was told it would be on the inside them realized it was on the outside that it said camp and 11. Are your wheels that have the 11 date code from 85' then.

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I believe so. The rims were a semi-aero tubular rim from the 80's, and seemed to be the original build.
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