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Old 12-11-07, 11:53 PM   #1
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Hi, I don't post much of anywhere often... But I'm in need of some help, and I frequently lurk this vibrant classic and vintage community, so here goes:
I have one of these: :



I got mine for a song, probably because of its ketchup and mustard coloration, and dubious pedigree.
This is the only other Pro Advantage I've ever seen, although mine has a sloping crown fork, with cinelli pantographing.

Does anyone know anything about this model? The seller here claims it's 'top model of the production', which doesn't seem to make that much sense, as it's lacking the chrome of the S.C.

As far as I and Andy Muzi can tell, my frame comes from the early 80's, when Cinelli history gets really fuzzy. The only way I could see it being 'top model of production', is if it was some kind of team frame, which may make sense based on the slightly rougher finishing, and the model name itself. However, that's probably just some wishful speculation.

Any help would be much appreciated,
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Old 12-12-07, 12:08 AM   #2
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I have nothing to add other than Andy is a great guy to deal with. Pretty sweet looking bike
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I was just discussing this with a friend and we pretty much agree that it's a Supercorsa with a replacement fork and one very eighties paint job.
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I remember seeing these frames (Paint scheme) around the early 1990's in a local bike shop. I remember them as being 'Supercorsa'. The frames I remember did have the Supercorsa chromed headlugs and half-chromed seat cluster though. I nearly bought one as I considered re-painting it. The only thing that stopped me was the availability of decals which are now available through Cyclemondo (on ebay).

I think the paint scheme was Cinelli's answer to the colours of the late 80's - horrible isn't it?

I also think that your particular frame is a 'Corsa' model - one step down from the Supercorsa. What is the Columbus frame material? The fork crown seems to be a Cinelli semi-sloping crown where a Spercorsa would have the customary fully-sloping crown.

Cinelli is one of the most desirable Italian frames although this era of Cinelli is about 10 years past the golden era of Cinelli. I have an '85 Supercorsa that really is wonderful - I think this era of Cinelli is still desirable.

I did try to chase-up one of these frames at the bike shop about 2 years back as I think the paint scheme is a little unique - unfortunately they didn't have one left.

Best of luck in your search,

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Thanks for the replies everyone...
I sort of thought that mine was just a super corsa without chrome... everything seems to match exactly, even the original (fully-sloping) fork. The tubing is SLX, just like a Super Corsa would have been at the time. I also judged these paint schemes (mine is red, with yellow top tube and chainstay) to be late 80's/early 90's, but based serial seems to be early 80's.

Mr. Muzi, told me with relative certainty early 80's, as in 82-85 I guess, and he was a Cinelli dealer at the time. To quote him roughly: "Definitely early 80's, handmade in Italy... That's a nice bike, the paint's nothing special." He didn't know anything beyond that. This would put it almost immediately after the sale of Cinelli, if I'm correct, so who knows what was going on. This is why it's such an interesting model. For what it's worth, the lugwork is nice, and it's a wonderfully riding frame and fork.

The paint on mine is really rough... I'm sort of feeling out whether I should just touch it up, or have it repainted... and then whether it would be worth it to restore (to the pink and white?).

If anybody's curious, all I've got is action shots of my bike, so there are probably some legs and lycra in there.
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If anybody's curious, all I've got is action shots of my bike, so there are probably some legs and lycra in there.
As you are a longtime lurker, you know we always enjoy photos! I'd love to see the entire bike, please!

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well...

since it's already on the internet...
This is probably the best one, but this is driveside.

It came with mostly shimano 105; in the pictures I've only replaced seat/post, stem/bar, and wheels. Everything is campy now, save the headset. I'm torn between a period build, and a semi-modern (ergo) build. Right now it's 9 spd mostly record/chorus.
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The seller of the ebay frame responded with this, fwiw:


Hi. thanks for your interest.
well, as far as I know this model came out in the second half of the 80ies. it wasn´t produced that long and therefore it is rare and hardly to find now. in the cinelli hierarchy all the SLX models were top of the line in their classic steel era. in the 90ies they came out with new steel tube sets like Columbus Nivacrome and Genius before they opened their production for Alloy and Carbon materials.
hope I could help you.
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since it's already on the internet...
This is probably the best one, but this is driveside.

It came with mostly shimano 105; in the pictures I've only replaced seat/post, stem/bar, and wheels. Everything is campy now, save the headset. I'm torn between a period build, and a semi-modern (ergo) build. Right now it's 9 spd mostly record/chorus.
I think there's a thread going right now about that...retro roadies- old frames with STI's or Ergos that may be of interest. I think if I were going to repaint, I would go with the pink and white rather than your ketchup and mustard (but the yellow and red IS the original colour).

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Old 12-13-07, 08:03 AM   #10
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Year of the bike....

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As far as I and Andy Muzi can tell, my frame comes from the early 80's, when Cinelli history gets really fuzzy. <3if
My guess is that it is in the 86-89 time frame given the colors and paint scheme.

If this bike is consistent with other Cinellis from the period, the serial number on the bottom bracket should tell you the year that it was built. There should be two numbers on the bottom bracket. One will be two digits and it will tell the size of the frame. The second will be composed of 4, 5, or 6 digits. That's the one you want! The first two digits of that number will give you the year that it was built.

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Hmm, thank you for that very useful info. I wonder how I missed noticing that on the cinelli registry.
I don't remember exactly what it is; I'll check when I get a chance.
I do know the serial starts with 88 and is 4 or 5 digits long.
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Hmm, thank you for that very useful info. I wonder how I missed noticing that on the cinelli registry.
I don't remember exactly what it is; I'll check when I get a chance.
I do know the serial starts with 88 and is 4 or 5 digits long.

The Cinelli Registry hints toward this as well. The pre-Columbus buy-out bikes (prior to 1978) seem to be impossible to date from their serial #s. However, starting about 1980, the first two digits of the serial # begin to hint toward the year model with a bit more accuracy. This can be seen as you look at the later model bikes on the Registry.

I have a 1982 SC and its serial # begins with an 82. I've also had three other Cinellis from a little later (83, 84 and 86). Their serial #s all began with the matching digits.

Definitely let us know what the first two digits of your serial # are. I'd like to know if my guess is correct on your bike!

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I'm looking at 88706.
So 1988 manufacture I assume?
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that corresponds to my experience as well- the first 2 digits representing the year of manufacture, however , the frame may have been produced to the specs for the following model year- ex: year's end 1988 manufacture of the 'upcoming' '1989' model

ps- i should add that this coding only seems to apply to the steel framesets. the more recent aluminum & aluminum-carbon hybrid framesets that I am familiar with use an alphebetic code system that I haven't bothered to decipher- i assume this would indicate an outside contractor(s) for those frames

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ps- i should add that this coding only seems to apply to the steel framesets. the more recent aluminum & aluminum-carbon hybrid framesets that I am familiar with use an alphebetic code system that I haven't bothered to decipher- i assume this would indicate an outside contractor(s) for those frames
I'm not sure of the later models either. However, I have seen SCs as late as 1991 with the same serial # layout.

Does anyone have a more recent SC that they can look at to confirm?

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my contemporary Ultrafoco-tubed Cinelli Nuovo Supercorsa appears to comply with the 2 digit dating.

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I'm sorry to post so far off-topic, but it still amuses me when people refer to Andy Muzi as if referring to some mystical translator, send by higher powers. Not like cruel and unusual amusement, just your ordinary run of the mill, "Hah" sort of amusement.


P.S. Beautiful Cinelli. I want to see the color scheme of the one you own! It sounds wonderfully ugly!
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P.S. Beautiful Cinelli. I want to see the color scheme of the one you own! It sounds wonderfully ugly!
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I don't know, I kinda like the ketchup and mustard combo.
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I agree with that, about andy, and it's hard to get that sort of 'hah' undertone of skepticism into a BBpost.
What I do believe is that he was a dealer at the time... hah.

so... 88 it is. Early ergo practically makes sense then.
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Early ergo is appropriate, late super record or early C Record, croce or chorus would all look really good. the paint job is original and goes with the little slice of history that it belongs to; I'd advise just leaving it unless rust is an issue.

Those green tires, though...
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ah. If I only had a camera to take some real pictures. It looks nice with all alloy 90's campy/cinelli, and some all black tires. The problem is that rust is an issue, and I'm not sure how effective touchups are going to be. The cable guides are kind of ugly, as are a couple spots at the lower headtube lug, seattube lug, and bb shell. Winter project is to clean off the rust thoroughly, and see how much paint is left in the affected areas.

And I like those big vittoria tubulars... it's a hard thing to find these days.

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Hello,
I took this theme to a german forum. I felt free to take the pic of Mr. This Machine. Hope to help clear sight on the CINELLI Advantage pro.

http://forum.tour-magazin.de/showthread.php?t=156196

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