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Old 01-29-08, 08:50 AM   #1
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The Dreaded Hub?

I just got my hands on an '83 Trek 500 for my first C&V effort. I put a lot of shopping effort into avoiding the helicomatic hubs that I've read about on this forum. I was dismayed to find that the hubs on the bike, described on vintage-trek.com as "Atom S.F. quick release", are made by Malliard (sp?). Are these the dreaded helicomatic hubs?

http://www.vintage-trek.com/images/t...3/83Trek19.jpg

I would have included pics but I am experiencing camera difficulties.
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Maillard made lots of non-helicomatic Hubs. As your 500 is spec'd with a suntour freewheel, I believe you are safe.

If it was a Helico, it has to use a a Helico freewheel.
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I just got my hands on an '83 Trek 500 for my first C&V effort. I put a lot of shopping effort into avoiding the helicomatic hubs that I've read about on this forum. I was dismayed to find that the hubs on the bike, described on vintage-trek.com as "Atom S.F. quick release", are made by Malliard (sp?). Are these the dreaded helicomatic hubs?

http://www.vintage-trek.com/images/t...3/83Trek19.jpg

I would have included pics but I am experiencing camera difficulties.
Nope. Look over at the specs for the 520. That came with Helicomatic.

There's no guarantee what's on the bike now. Wheels have been known to get changed out over the course of 25 years.
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Thanks for the quick reply redneckwes, that's what I was hoping to hear.
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USAZorro, thanks for your reply, too. FYI, the bike looks all orig.
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Hi Anykey, welcome to BikeForums!

Hey, are you going to show us some photos?

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OK, what is wrong with helicomatic hubs? What are helcomatic hubs?

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EastHill, thanks for the welcome...I know you are the photocop and thought carefully before starting this thread w/o pics. As soon as I sort out my camera I will post, but the bike is in pieces all over my bedroom at the moment.
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OK, what is wrong with helicomatic hubs? What are helcomatic hubs?

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EastHill, thanks for the welcome...I know you are the photocop and thought carefully before starting this thread w/o pics. As soon as I sort out my camera I will post, but the bike is in pieces all over my bedroom at the moment.



Great, then we can have rebuild-in-progress photos!

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The biggest problem with Helicomatic hubs is that nobody makes a replacement freewheel anymore.
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The biggest problem with Helicomatic hubs is that nobody makes a replacement freewheel anymore.
Yeah.I wouldn't run away from a bike because it had the helicomatic. I put 3-4000 miles of fairly heavy touring on one in 1986 without any spoke, axle, or bearing problems. I replaced it that winter with a Suntour hub because I did not like the way it shifted.
That is an understatement.

I abhored the way it shifted.

On the bright side, I used the experience to generate some particularly expressive - arguably too expressive - words and phrases, many of which served me admirably when I joined the service. Some now reside in a little box next to plumbing tools. When these tools come out, my wife and kids go one or two counties away, all thanks to Maillaird's really good idea.


But if you aren't going to work it very hard, there's no reason not to keep and enjoy it. They're a pretty neat concept.
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The Helicomatic was an evolutionary dead-end [should be] missing link between freewheels and freehub/cassettes. It is probably an example of inferior execution of a not-too-bad idea.
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