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Old 01-29-08, 09:26 PM   #1
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Lipstick red "General" frame

Well, I bought the "General" frame I posted about awhile back; a local CL listing. It's not Tange Champion #1 (as advertised), but #2; which is probably better for a large frame. It's also larger than I thought -- advertised as a 62, but it measures 63.5, or 25". I'm pretty confident that I can ride a 62, but this may be too large -- we'll see. It's never been built up. While it's not the most fastidious workmanship I've ever seen, the lugs are quite nice, even the BB lugs, which are pointed. Has a cute rear brake bridge, scalloped diamonds at the bottle braze-ons. The dropouts don't appear to be stamped with any mfgr's name, but that might be filled with paint: there's no chrome anywhere on the frame or fork. It came with a headset that appears to be aTange Levin. There is a serial number on the seatpost, P4293142. Color: lipstick red, as photos show.

Wheelbase is right about 1.000 meter, chainstays about 41 cm. Head and seat tubes both at 73 degrees. This is all seconded by the "Racing" decals on the chainstays. Brake holes are for recessed nuts, and the clearance on both front and rear is for 700C wheels with short-reach brakes -- 355 or 356 mm only, which means a reach of about 44 or 45. The fork has a lugless crown, and is sort of narrow-shouldered and anthropomorphic (no edges) -- I think that I've seen one like this on a Univega or other quality Japanese bike before. Seatpost needs to be 26.6, meaning that the top of the seat tube is butted.

Based on all the features, I'm guessing that it's in the '86 thru '90 range. Would Tange have still produced #2 then? The paint is in quite good shape, and the only barn rash is a chip/scrape low on the left seatstay, and one of the under-BB cable guides was nearly flattened by impact, but I already straightened it out. Other than that, it's in pristine condition.

Weight-wise, I was pleasantly surprised. Frame and fork bare except for pressed-in races weigh 2140 + 780 = 2920 grams -- not bad for a larger frame. For comparison, my Raleigh 57 cm Reynolds 531C weighs (in similar state) 2850, and my Nishiki Prestige 58 cm with Tange Infinity (DB seamed) weighs 2925. I can definitely use a shorter seatpost and stem on this one.

My plan is to remove the (IMO) cheesy decals, if I can, and do some sort of ironic idiosyncratic graphic treatment. It's not like there's some lofty heritage that needs to be conserved here.







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Old 01-29-08, 09:30 PM   #2
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Nice detailing! Neat color too.

I agree...ditch the stickers.
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Nice detailing! Neat color too.

I agree...ditch the stickers.
Naw - just add "LEE" to the end of "GENERAL", and put a stars n' bars sticker on it somewhere.
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Naw - just add "LEE" to the end of "GENERAL", and put a stars n' bars sticker on it somewhere.

LMAO...that could get him in some serious trouble in NYC I bet....
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I was sort of thinking on the lines of Generalissimo or General Nuisance.
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Based on all the features, I'm guessing that it's in the '86 thru '90 range. Would Tange have still produced #2 then?
Definitely.

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Naw - just add "LEE" to the end of "GENERAL", and put a stars n' bars sticker on it somewhere.
Actually, General Lee has already been lisensed as a legitimate bicycle brand.
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Actually, General Lee has already been lisensed as a legitimate bicycle brand.
Yup...it's a BMX brand.

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Your Raleigh and Nishiki frame weights include a fork, right? Just curious...
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Your Raleigh and Nishiki frame weights include a fork, right? Just curious...
Yes, I've weighed all my frames the same way: dissassembled except for the pressed-on headset races. I also have a Trek 614 that I haven't yet disassembled, and bought another Raleigh: a Raleigh USA "Competition" which is somewhat disappointing -- it weighs 230 g more than the 531C Raleigh (though it's also a 63 cm size) -- half a pound!
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I was reading a New Yorker profile on Beppe Grillo today, and I may have a downtube logotype for the red bike: Vaffanculo! (Let's see if the censor-bots speak Italian). And I can get all the components pantographed with a stylized finger (or is that just the headbadge?). It's probably been done before.
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