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    Noob questions

    Ok, I have gotten into the older bikes, now I am trying to get into the mechanical side. I am sure I will have a ton of questions and the Park site and Sheldon Brown's (may God bless his soul) site will answer a lot of them. But 2 right off hand that you can help me with are:

    How do I get these off? I have no cutting or welding type tools.


    and are these dérailleurs salvageable?




    Thanks for looking!

    TJ

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    1) Why?

    2) Yes.

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    [QUOTE=Old Fat Guy;6183760]1) Why?

    Turning an old Collegiate into a single speed coaster for a friend who wants "like what she had as a kid". And I don't like those sticking out.

    What do you think OFG?

    TJ

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    WD 40 and elbow grease on the dérailleurs, and sorry, don't approve of grinding off bits on any bike, even old Schwinn's.

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    We don't cotton to people who cut things off their bikes in these here parts.

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    I had to smile...over on the fixie forum they regularly send people over here for bike info, but sometimes with the warning, "Don't tell them you're going to turn it into a fixie. They have strong feelings about that."

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    A man may do with his bike what he pleases. If you insist on cutting the bike, I suggest buying a dremel tool or some clone. If your going to do it, I want it done right. use the grinding wheel and get it as close as you can without penetrating the tube. finish it off with some fine grit sandpaper. Then get it painted.

    a little bit of elbow grease will get those derailleurs looking and working just fine.
    Can anyone give me a ride from Monterey to Big Bear on Wednesday or Thursday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Fat Guy View Post
    WD 40 and elbow grease on the dérailleurs, and sorry, don't approve of grinding off bits on any bike, even old Schwinn's.
    I do for the old schwinns, if anyone wants one in Sacramento with the braze-ons on then let me know.

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    Doesn't matter what you use, just cut slowly and don't change your mind later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacKid View Post
    We don't cotton to people who cut things off their bikes in these here parts.
    That just cracks me up! I hope you don't mind but I'm jacking that ^^^^ as my sig.

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    Ok, I understand (a lot actually) the desire to not ruin a classic. But why not take a clunked out VW and make it a dune buggy? It's not like the Schwinn Collegiate is the bike equivalent (to keep the car analogy going) of a 57 Chevy or a 55 T bird. It's a farm auction reject brought out of the barn covered in moldy hay and pigeon crap, a rust bucket. True it could be restored, but is it worth it? Is it rare?

    Or is it better to GIVE a friend a bike they want in the hopes that they might see the cycling light? She has talked about trying biking for 2 years now and her asking for a single speed is the closest it has come so far.

    Alright OFG and others, I have not yet desecrated the holy grail, convince me not to

    Thanks for all the replies, I do have a dremel tool, I just didn't think it was capable of the cutting grinding.

    Now I AM interested in your opinions. Here is a pic of it after it was cleaned up a little.

    TJ

    PS. The 600 parts are on another bike (a Concord) that's another story, its in sad condition and I am not sure what I want to do with it.

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    Well crap,
    After a complete veiw of your project.......
    Maybe just maybe (God this is hard to do.) you could grind off the shifter cable stop. It's not gonna get used anyway.......Would anyone seriously rebuild that thing to spec. or upgrade it? I was gonna come back and post about "what about cable routing?" in an attempt to persuade you not to hack that beast. But really......I've passed on a million of those things. Usually a bike like that get's consigned to the dump or as yard art with a basket on front brimming with trailing petunias and violas and left out to wither away in artful disgrace (I intend on getting one myself for that exact purpose. There is one in town 15' in the air grown into the crotch of a fir tree. It gets me every time I ride by).
    I guess if you can get one more person on a bike and make a girl smile........you've got my vote (on the shifter cable braze on only). The only condition is a pic on completion......

    With the girl Seriously

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacKid View Post
    We don't cotton to people who cut things off their bikes in these here parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpug505 View Post
    Well crap,
    After a complete veiw of your project.......
    Maybe just maybe (God this is hard to do.) you could grind off the shifter cable stop. It's not gonna get used anyway.......Would anyone seriously rebuild that thing to spec. or upgrade it? I was gonna come back and post about "what about cable routing?" in an attempt to persuade you not to hack that beast. But really......I've passed on a million of those things. Usually a bike like that get's consigned to the dump or as yard art with a basket on front brimming with trailing petunias and violas and left out to wither away in artful disgrace (I intend on getting one myself for that exact purpose. There is one in town 15' in the air grown into the crotch of a fir tree. It gets me every time I ride by).
    I guess if you can get one more person on a bike and make a girl smile........you've got my vote (on the shifter cable braze on only). The only condition is a pic on completion......

    With the girl Seriously

    Kelly D
    Thanks Kelly, I appreciate your answer. And you eloquently sum up what I believe. The bike will live longer this way, and if it ends up hanging in a garage, I will re rescue it and give it a third life

    I will post pics when it is done.

    I am disappointed no one else rose to my challenge.

    Thanks again!

    TJ

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    go to a home depot or a sears for the dremel attachment to use for cutting and grinding. It will work like a dream. I work with old bikes all the time and I use the dremel to cut off stuck lock rings, grind off powdercoat in a bad spot, grind housing after cutting it, etc, etc, etc....the list goes on. you'll have no problem with taking off anything you want.

    edit: by the way, you'll want to keep the brake cable braze-ons on there unless your planning to use clamps. I'd keep them on.
    Can anyone give me a ride from Monterey to Big Bear on Wednesday or Thursday?

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    My father, out of the blue, sent me a Dremel tool several years ago. Inside, he put a post-it with the message: Every man should have a Dremel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Wahl View Post
    Every man [and woman!] should have a Dremel.
    No household should be without a Dremel tool. Preferably with lots of esoteric attachments .

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    The Decision, in case you were interested



    It is ground.

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    Sorry bbattle, they have been ground off (see pic above). Besides I am converting the bike to a coaster brake bike. If my friend doesn't like it, I have some cyclist friends that can't quite get the hang of shifting gears.

    Thanks!

    TJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtle Jack View Post
    Sorry bbattle, they have been ground off (see pic above). Besides I am converting the bike to a coaster brake bike. If my friend doesn't like it, I have some cyclist friends that can't quite get the hang of shifting gears.

    Thanks!

    TJ
    Wow, you must've posted right when I was deleting. Anyhow, steel wool and WD-40 will shine those derailleurs right up. If you have rust on chrome parts, oxalic acid solution will do the trick. A strong lye solution will remove the rust on that old chain. Just be sure to wash it thoroughly then carefully lube each and every pin and roller on the chain.

    I fix up old, cheap frames but I don't grind off bits and pieces. They may come in handy later.

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    Are you going to replace the handlebars TurtleJack, or keep those?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtle Jack View Post
    Ok, I understand (a lot actually) the desire to not ruin a classic. But why not take a clunked out VW and make it a dune buggy? It's not like the Schwinn Collegiate is the bike equivalent (to keep the car analogy going) of a 57 Chevy or a 55 T bird. It's a farm auction reject brought out of the barn covered in moldy hay and pigeon crap, a rust bucket. True it could be restored, but is it worth it? Is it rare?

    Or is it better to GIVE a friend a bike they want in the hopes that they might see the cycling light? She has talked about trying biking for 2 years now and her asking for a single speed is the closest it has come so far.
    Arrgh! He's using reason! Strength ... fading .... can't .... grouch.... eeeeeehh....

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    Uhhm, I heard a rumor that some Shimano 600 derailers are considered dangerous and radioactive requiring special disposal. Fortunately, I have access to proper disposal. Send them to me and I'll dispose of them properly. (On one of my bikes)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFool View Post
    Are you going to replace the handlebars TurtleJack, or keep those?
    Actually I was going to replace them with something up right. Need them?

    TJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by roccobike View Post
    Uhhm, I heard a rumor that some Shimano 600 derailers are considered dangerous and radioactive requiring special disposal. Fortunately, I have access to proper disposal. Send them to me and I'll dispose of them properly. (On one of my bikes)
    Hmmmm, wonder if the nuke plant near me needs fuel?

    TJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbattle View Post
    I fix up old, cheap frames but I don't grind off bits and pieces. They may come in handy later.
    That makes sense, where were you when I needed your logic? Oh well, next time!

    TJ

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