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Old 03-10-08, 01:39 PM   #1
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DeRosa Crank ID

Could someone please assess the group and value of this crank off a mid 80's DeRosa? Trying to get a feel for the general value of the bike. Thanks!

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The crank is a Campagnolo Super/Nuovo Record. The crankarms were the same for NR/SR with SR having different rings. The outer Eddy Merckx pantographed ring looks to be a Super Record Ring. The ring could possibly worth more than the crank arms themselves. Pantographed items tend to go for a decent price on Ebay and that outer ring alone could be worth $50+. The cranks and rings are worth $100+ alone. You asked about the group, but it is only a single picture. Campy cranks, Shimano 600 front derailleur and some low end pedals doesn't tell us much.
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I don't have any other pictures. I can tell you that the rear derailleur is Shimano 600 and the shifters are Shimano. The brake levers and calipers are Campy, but I don't have pictures. Here is a picture of the bike...

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I agree with Redxj.. probably best to sell the big ring separately as it will appeal to more buyers (i.e. you will include those who have merckx with record crank already and would like a pantoed ring but don't want to buy a whole crank they don't need). You should be able to get $50 for the big ring assuming it's in decent shape, $75 for the cranks and maybe even another $25 for the small ring if it's in decent shape.
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I know the picture of the bike is pretty lousy, but can you tell me anything relative to its value. Condition is average, the bike has seen a fair amount of miles.
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Here is a picture of the rear. I will try to get more pictures.

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I know the picture of the bike is pretty lousy, but can you tell me anything relative to its value. Condition is average, the bike has seen a fair amount of miles.
You will receive $451 (US) plus shipping, however, the sale must close by the ides of march, so list it now.
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Brakes and levers, as well as parts that were removed and replaced with Shimano 600 parts ....



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It's still a little early for top dollar, especially in Duluth! If he waits till April, I could see $550-600 easy.
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I'm guessing s/he's looking to buy, not sell.
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I'm guessing it is the same bike that is for sale on Craigslist/MPLS. I already emailed the seller, it is a 54.
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the brakes are later model grand sports. No great brakes, no great value. The shifters and derailleurs are nice, especially if they were original to the bike, and probably worth about $100 as a set, tops...the rusty bolts will set you back. The frame is worth a lot, relatively. Too bad it isn't a 56.
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Brakes and levers, as well as parts that were removed and replaced with Shimano 600 parts (go figure)....
It's a racing bike. Assuming the racer was competing in the 1980s.... nuovo record would be vastly inferior in performance to the 600 drivetrain on there now.
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Well someone bought it, fess up!
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Thanks for all the info! Very helpful!
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It's a racing bike. Assuming the racer was competing in the 1980s.... nuovo record would be vastly inferior in performance to the 600 drivetrain on there now.
What was so inferior about the Nuovo Record group when compared with the Shimano 600?
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Shimano 600 could be indexed.
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So who snagged it? Anyone here?
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I was ready to drive up there this morning. The size didn't work for me, nor for a riding buddy. I have a 97 DeRosa w/8 speed dura-ace. It's a great bike---the frame alone was worth a drive up 35. Oh well, I hope whoever got their mits on this one shows it some love!
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What was so inferior about the Nuovo Record group when compared with the Shimano 600?
Not only was it indexed but the auction was lighter and then shifts quick and crisp. Sure a million people will say they can shift as fast on friction and talk about the wonder of learning the bike and how to work with it, but the bottom line is of the shelf you put someone on a 600 UG indexed system versus a nuovo record set-up with friction and regina and they will be flying up the road on the 600 while they would be clunking the NR across and reaching back to tweak the position.

Hey I have super record and a nuovo record bike (well working on it)... and a modern campy bike as well as a touring bike with shimano.. I love the look of the old record and it shifts alright enough but for racing... no way... shimano had game over campagnolo in the 80s.
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i dunno. it was never the shifters (nor the brakes!) that got my butt kicked. it was usually the legs. I raced on cyclone, then superbe, then super record, and then dura ace. I didn't ever see any real disadvantage until the brifters came along. Crits or rolling courses would get me smoked, until I finally caved and started shifting from the hoods.

Same, really, with mountain bikes, btw. Thumbies worked just fine, unless you were in a crit. Then the constant tempo changing of the bunch would wear my thumbs out. I caved here too and went for some trigger shifters.
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If someone here bought the dang thing, PM me. I have a nice De Rosa panto'ed chain ring I'll swap for the Merckx.
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how much monies?
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You are correct. This is the bike on the Minneapolis Craigslist. I am passing on it. The seller is wanting $750 for it including the Nuovo Record parts. It is still available!

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bottom line is of the shelf you put someone on a 600 UG indexed system versus a nuovo record set-up with friction and regina and they will be flying up the road on the 600 while they would be clunking the NR across and reaching back to tweak the position.
I just like the look and feel of DT campy friction levers---so much so that I have paired them to a late nineties chorus 9 speed RD, with a 6 speed freewheel---and I am very happy with the shifting.
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