cpsqlrwn

I believe this is an early 90's Lemond, model Le Vanquer, and I am trying to get some information and value on the bike. I want to try to determine the Campy component info as well as the vintage and value of the bike. I think it may be one of Lemond's first models. The general condition is quite good. It appears to me that the crank and RD are Victory, but I am looking for confirmation and info on the other components as well. There is a sticker that says Columbus chromoly. There is also a sticker commemorating Tour de France 1986 I think. It is a 10 Speed Drive painted frame. Is that a bad thing? Any help would be much appreciated! A few more pictures to follow.

cpsqlrwn

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tinydr

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cpsqlrwn

The shifters are definitely Victory, but I can't seem to identify the brakes, the brake levers and the FD. Is anyone familiar with this Le Vanquer model and is there any negative or positive concerning the 10 Speed Drive frame painting?

Torchy McFlux

That's an '86 Victory group with Record C brake calipers and aero levers. Always loved that crank. The Columbus Cromor tubeset was very decent, but not as nice as the popular SL. I remember reading about the company that was building those for LeMond before Trek took over the brand, but can't remember who it was right now.
Please fix the front hub QR, lose that mtb stem, install some black bar tape, and put a Campy seatpost back on there. Nice bike!

edit: It's actually a mix of 1986 Triomphe and Victory components with Record C aero brake levers.

Old Fat Guy

Triomphe, not Victory, I do believe.

Torchy McFlux

You are incorrect, sir.
https://www.campyonly.com/images/hist...ory_gruppo.jpg

edit: Pardon me. I stand corrected.

tinydr

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Old Fat Guy

There isn't much difference. This bike is all Triomphe, and looks to be the same to me:
https://picasaweb.google.com/A2UsedBikes/Trek510

edit: apart from the brake levers.

Torchy McFlux

https://www.campyonly.com/images/hist...phe_gruppo.jpg

The Triomphe group is clearly chunkier, even if the style was similar. Look closely at the cranks and rear derailleur on the LeMond. They're more elegant.
First road bike I fell in love with had a Victory group on it. You never forget...

edit:...or maybe you do.

CV-6 

OFG is right. It is Triomphe. Check VeloBase...you can see the difference between the cranks. Note the "pinched in" look of the spider arm. Note also that the dust cover is not a self extractor. That is Triomphe. Victory is a smooth transition and uses a self-extractor. The Triomphe brakes have an open nut where Victory is an acorn. I will say that is the shiniest Triomphe crank I have ever seen.

Torchy McFlux

I will concede that that is a Triomphe crank and brake calipers if he concedes that that is a Victory rear derailleur and pedals.

Old Fat Guy

My eyes can't tell on the dérailleur, the pedals look to be Victory.

Torchy McFlux

Look at the shape of the pulley cage and the heads of the pivot bolts. The Triomphe's cage is like figure 8 while the Victory's is like a letter B. The Triomphe's bolts are big with square edges while the Victory's are smaller and flush with the surface.

I remember there was this kind of confusion and debate back then too. Very funny.

cpsqlrwn

I am in agreement that the crank is Triomphe. I can't tell on the RD either. I appreciate all the info. Can anyone comment on the model 'Le Vanquer' relative to its value with these mid level or lower components and also the fact that the frame was painted by 10 Speed Drive. I have a feeling the vintage of the bike in Lemond's chronology (if it's one of the first models) may be more important than the components which are very average. Is anyone familiar with this Lemond model and what do the components say about the age of the bike. Thanks!

bonechilling

If the serial number have DS in it, then it's a Della Santa, and you're very lucky. If it doesn't, then it was made by the Bilatto Brothers in Italy for Greg LeMond, and you're still lucky, because they're beautiful and well-made bikes. This is basically the only information about the 10-Speed Drive/Bilatto/Greg LeMond relationship that I can find on the internet, other than recollections posted on here.

If you want to know about value, I think they're sort of over-looked. I paid $250 for the track bike complete, and I watched a fully Campy road bike with higher-end Columbus tubing fetch $350 on eBay a month ago.

I have the matching track bike, which I posted about here. If you ever want to sell that bike, it looks like it's my size, so I'd be interested.

cpsqlrwn

The serial number is B903886. It is not my bike yet. The seller is asking $1100 for the bike. He thinks the components are all Nuovo Record. The bike is in excellent shape, it's hardly been ridden, but I need to speak with him about the components in order to be able to work something out.

bonechilling

No way is that bike worth $1100. I watched a Greg LeMond USED (as in he rode it professionally in Europe) bike not even sell for the $800 asking price about two months ago. $1100 is a whole lot for a production bike with low-end Columbus tubing and mid-range components, even if it is like new.

cpsqlrwn

I agree. I'm thinking $300 to $400 at the most!