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Old 04-22-08, 03:32 PM   #1
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Is the era of beautiful center pulls over?

Ok, So I love shiny beautiful things, and all the aerodynamic centerpulls on this page definately rock my socks!!!!

http://bikieray.im-rc.com/content_gallery.html

Does anyone reproduce these. I have relatively good luck with my older 70's ugly dura ace non ax brakes but these things are absolutely beautiful! My guess is that no-one produces anything like this, and I'm betting brakes like this sell for a lot of money vintage ! Super cool, I know everyone like to hate on centerpulls, but you can't hate on beautiful centerpuls like these...
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None of those are officially centerpulls in terms of internal operation.

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Old 04-22-08, 04:02 PM   #3
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Those Shimanos look like Borg techology.
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Old 04-22-08, 04:08 PM   #4
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None of those are officially centerpulls in terms of internal operation.

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Kurt,

I've got to disagree on this one. I'm not sure about the mech's on any of the other five but the Campagnolo Deltas are an internal dual scissor centerpull and work so similarly to an external pull version that I believe they qualify as the genuine article.

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Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, I guess. I'm a classic road bike lover, but even when these were the brand new fashion of the day, I hated those Delta-type brakes. They are downright ugly. But I certainly do love the real centrepulls from before that era.
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I like the Dura Ace AX versions and have a pair of the 600 AX brakes which I like... the other's don't thrill me too much.

I like these Dura Ace centre pulls even better.

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Those Modolo centrepulls are the ugliest things I've ever seen.
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Not vintage but I'm using Paul center pull touring cantis on my bamboo bike. I like the way the look and they work great.

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I like the Dura Ace AX versions and have a pair of the 600 AX brakes which I like... the other's don't thrill me too much.

I like these Dura Ace centre pulls even better.

Those Dura Ace centerpulls later got demoted all the way down to Tourney level. Put one next to a Weinmann 610 and I think you'll agree that it's a direct copy. I have a set with the Tourney name on them that I'm planning to put on my Raleigh Competition.
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Here are my favorite centerpulls: Weinmann models with steel hangers (which gets rid of the slop of wire straddle cables):



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Those Dura Ace centerpulls later got demoted all the way down to Tourney level. Put one next to a Weinmann 610 and I think you'll agree that it's a direct copy. I have a set with the Tourney name on them that I'm planning to put on my Raleigh Competition.

I got a pair of those.. I only use the front one, but they are not as sexy as the ones on that page (if you need the rear we could work something out ) ... But yes beauty is in the eye of the beholder.. Well if you ever come across a pair of those "ugly" brakes send a pair my way. Also... If there not centerpulls what are they?
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I've got to disagree on this one. I'm not sure about the mech's on any of the other five but the Campagnolo Deltas are an internal dual scissor centerpull and work so similarly to an external pull version that I believe they qualify as the genuine article.
That so? Thought most of the ones on that page were operated similar to the Dura-Ace AX's and the Weinmann's, with a fixed cam pivoting the arms against each other, rather then the cable pulling directly on the arm itself.

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Here are my favorite centerpulls: Weinmann models with steel hangers (which gets rid of the slop of wire straddle cables):
Let me know if you happen to find yourself with any spares you wish to part with.

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What about the "new" Paul Components?

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That so? Thought most of the ones on that page were operated similar to the Dura-Ace AX's and the Weinmann's, with a fixed cam pivoting the arms against each other, rather then the cable pulling directly on the arm itself.

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It is a cam follower action on the Deltas and that makes them more akin to the rollercam designs than a straight arm/cable action pivot. I'll argue though, that a rollercam is also a centerpull and that the basic dsign is a _very old one.

http://www.blackbirdsf.org/brake_obs...oad/unk_uk.jpg

http://www.blackbirdsf.org/brake_obs...oad/jeay.2.jpg

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BTW, I think you'll all find this page an extraordinary one (You are reading this thread....):

http://www.blackbirdsf.org/brake_obscura/
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By any chance do SunTour Rollercam calipers qualify as centerpulls? They are not canti-levers nor U-Brakes.
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The new Specialized Transition TT bike uses centerpulls. They're more aero, especially hidden behind the bottom bracket. This picture isn't out of place here, is it?

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BTW, I think you'll all find this page an extraordinary one (You are reading this thread....):

http://www.blackbirdsf.org/brake_obscura/
Interesting. Curiously, has anyone ever had experience with the Weinmann HP Turbo calipers? One of the LBS's has a half-dozen of them - always been rather curious as to whether they'd work well or not.



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This one makes my head hurt:

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Interesting. Curiously, has anyone ever had experience with the Weinmann HP Turbo calipers? One of the LBS's has a half-dozen of them - always been rather curious as to whether they'd work well or not.



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Wow. That competes with some of the deltas as Ugliest Brake Mechanism of the Biennium (UBMB).
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Interesting. Curiously, has anyone ever had experience with the Weinmann HP Turbo calipers? One of the LBS's has a half-dozen of them - always been rather curious as to whether they'd work well or not.


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I'll be the guinea pig on that one if you like (and the brakes don't cost a small fortune). I just bought a set of Pederson self actuators that are of the original, non Suntour badged design if only because I've never seen a set before and I've read such wicked things about them. That and these are NOS.

From what I can remember offhand, I've read that those Weinmann's suffer the same sort of progressive 'over the h'bar in light braking' thing that the Pederson's are reknowned for. For the life of me though, I can't remember where I was reading that.

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Who makes the brakes on that Specialized tri bike and are they available aftermarket?

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Tis truly in the eye of the beholder!
I never liked the look of the brake bridges.
The first thing I replaced on my Nishiki Pro was the Dia Compe centerpulls and replaced them with the 1st gen DA sidepulls (you know, the ones with the drilled out levers and gum hoods.)

Sidepulls brakes and tubular wheels on a classic 10 speed makes the look for me!
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I got a pair of those.. I only use the front one, but they are not as sexy as the ones on that page (if you need the rear we could work something out ) ... But yes beauty is in the eye of the beholder.. Well if you ever come across a pair of those "ugly" brakes send a pair my way. Also... If there not centerpulls what are they?
You quoted me, but you don't seem to be responding to to anything I said. Did you click "reply with quote" on the wrong post?
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