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Old 05-03-08, 11:24 PM   #1
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Vintage Supercourse

So last week weakness overcame me and I won this auction on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWN:IT&ih=001

I'm seeking advise as to how to build up this frame. I really like the look of the single speed 50's style club racer and perhaps I'll do a retro themed version of that with this frame...or, should I just restore it with vintage '70's parts and keep it authentic? Any thoughts?
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Lovely frame! Nice price, too. It's a 1981 Raleigh Carlton Super Course.

First, I'd find out what the original groupset would have been and go for that if I liked it. If I didn't, I'd fit it out with Campagnolo of the right period as a thank-you for staying NOS for so long. FWIW, I think it had some of the same components as my 1980'ish Dawes Atlantis, which has a Japanese SR crankset, SunTour PowerShifters (friction with ratchet). My Dawes had a SunTour Vx GT derailleur but I think your bike would have had a SunTour Cyclone - both are good derailleurs. Both the Dawes and your Raleigh had Weinmann brakes.

However, it's your bike and you should do whatever you want. If you make it a single speed I would beg you not to grind off the droupout so that you, or whoever comes after you, can return it to its original purpose as a geared bike. I saw a beautiful candy-blue 3Rensho the other day that had been made into a fixed wheel but the owner had left everything - droupout, shifter braze-ons and cable guides. It was stunningly beautiful like that...
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I'd date that earlier than '81; the bronze green color and decals puts it around '72 or '73. Take a look at this thread for info on original specs:

Setting the record straight: Raleigh Super Course database (Need Pics!)

I have found the Super Course to be a very versatile bike, and I've had similar era frames built up as single speeds, 3-speed commuters, and retro club bikes. You can get 700c wheels on them with fairly long reach brakes (originally it would have had 27" wheels). There wasn't anything particular special about the original components--to me the frame is the best part, so I say built it up as you think will suit you, ride that configuration for awhile, and then redo!

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looks almost exactly like the 72 supercourse i sold not long ago. I dont think that is an 81
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Lovely frame! Nice price, too. It's a 1981 Raleigh Carlton Super Course.
I can't help but ask: How did you arrive at this year?

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I can't help but ask: How did you arrive at this year?

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By un-joined up thinking... I should have said I thought it was a 1981.

My twisted logic was pretty basic -
My Dawes, from 1979 ~ 1982'ish has the same crankset.
The Carlton factory closed in 1981
An NOS frame was quite likely to have been left over from the upheaval of closing the factory.
The price was really low and I figured low meant later.

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Hello capricho, very nice catch you made there!

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Are you sure its an '81? It looks more like a '73 to me. Any way to verify this?
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I vote mid-to-late 1970s, because the decals don't match the early 1970s Super Courses I have seen.
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Are you sure its an '81? It looks more like a '73 to me. Any way to verify this?
I have an '80 or '81 and it looks nothing like yours. You have a 70's frame there.
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I'd say pre 74. I believe that is when they came out with the Mark IV designation.

No matter, a very nice find at an outstanding price!
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yeah i'm super jealous. good find!
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Thanks all you fellow Raleigh experts...I think I'll end up building up this frame with an internal 8 speed rear nexus hub with 27" wheels gumwall tires, sugino crankset, MKS pedals w/ leather clips, dynamo front hub w/ retro style halogen headlight, north road bar, shallacked cork grips, brass bell, stainless chain, stainless fenders, and a Brooks honey B67 saddle. This bike will be for recreational riding around town...How does that sound?

Anyone who can assist with the seat post size appreciated..

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Thanks all you fellow Raleigh experts...I think I'll end up building up this frame with an internal 8 speed rear nexus hub with 27" wheels gumwall tires, sugino crankset, MKS pedals w/ leather clips, dynamo front hub w/ retro style halogen headlight, north road bar, shallacked cork grips, brass bell, stainless chain, stainless fenders, and a Brooks honey B67 saddle. This bike will be for recreational riding around town...How does that sound?

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Sounds really nice to me! We'll want to see photos when it's up and running...
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Sounds good. remember to post pictures when you do build it up so that we can drool over it.
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Anyone who can assist with the seat post size appreciated..

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I've sold a couple of those models, and iirc seatpost was 26.2mm. But then it might have been 26.4mm! Super Courses could also vary (or at least the 1971 models I've had did). Best to break out the calipers.

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Another forum member sent me a link to an early 70's Supercourse identical to the one I purchased. This bike went through a transformation similar to the one that I'll probably proceed with. I will more than likely use a north road bar (since I already own one) and a thumb shifter as opposed to the drop bars and the funky bar end shifter.

I'll post pics when I start this project. The frame hasn't been delivered to me yet.

http://readytoride.biz/?p=156
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By un-joined up thinking... I should have said I thought it was a 1981.

My twisted logic was pretty basic -
My Dawes, from 1979 ~ 1982'ish has the same crankset.
The Carlton factory closed in 1981
An NOS frame was quite likely to have been left over from the upheaval of closing the factory.
The price was really low and I figured low meant later.

I'll crawl back into my corner now and try not to be seen.
One thing is for sure. It is a 1973 or newer with the RALEIGH block lettering on the down tube. 1973 was the first year for that feature. Good luck with it. Jim
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Don't feel bad! I was just curious as to how you got to it. Interesting.

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One thing is for sure. It is a 1973 or newer with the RALEIGH block lettering on the down tube. 1973 was the first year for that feature. Good luck with it. Jim
+1. The only '73s that didn't have this were the '73 (built from '72 frame overstock) gold S-22 Sports models - these wore the traditional Raleigh Sports downtube lettering similar to that of the 1950's machines.

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+1. The only '73s that didn't have this were the '73 (built from '72 frame overstock) gold S-22 Sports models - these wore the traditional Raleigh Sports downtube lettering similar to that of the 1950's machines.

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That's interesting. Thanks. I have surmized that the first Raleigh Professional in 1969 had no Mark designation, the 1970 was Mark II, the 1971 was Mark III and those from 1972 on were designated as Mark IV's. Am I correct? Jim

p.s. My experience is mostly limited to 1970 and 1971. I bought and sold 7 or 8 Professionals and Internationals in the early 1990's before I whittled it down to my one Professional.
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That's interesting. Thanks. I have surmized that the first Raleigh Professional in 1969 had no Mark designation, the 1970 was Mark II, the 1971 was Mark III and those from 1972 on were designated as Mark IV's. Am I correct? Jim
I'm pretty sure you have it pegged, although the redesigned '77s were designated Mark V's.

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You probably know more then I about Raleigh's road lineup. Unfortunately, my knowledge is primarily on the Sports models from the '50s into the '80s, with fuzzier-then-I-care-for knowledge about the early-to-mid '60s models.

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That's interesting. Thanks. I have surmized that the first Raleigh Professional in 1969 had no Mark designation, the 1970 was Mark II, the 1971 was Mark III and those from 1972 on were designated as Mark IV's. Am I correct? Jim

p.s. My experience is mostly limited to 1970 and 1971. I bought and sold 7 or 8 Professionals and Internationals in the early 1990's before I whittled it down to my one Professional.
The Raleigh catalogs from that era are all available here: http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/Retro-Raleighs/

'69: Professional
'70: Professional MKII
'71: Professional MKIII
'72: Professional MKIV

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.......... my knowledge is primarily on the Sports models from the '50s into the '80s, with fuzzier-then-I-care-for knowledge about the early-to-mid '60s models.

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Cool. My wife has a 1970 Sprite 5-speed in Coffee Brown. In the family since new ($85.00), it is totally original with tires only replaced once. Jim

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The Raleigh catalogs from that era are all available here: http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/Retro-Raleighs/

'69: Professional
'70: Professional MKII
'71: Professional MKIII
'72: Professional MKIV

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Thanks. That's a great site for Raleigh enthusiasts. A couple of the examples featured on that site were in my modest collection at one time. Jim
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In building up this frame, I will probably need a bottom bracket. I'm assuming none exists on the frame now. Do any of you Raleigh experts recommend a bottom bracket brand? I've heard of Phil Wood and may get that but I am clueless about which size will work.

Thanks in advance..
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