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    Info on French pro bikes in 1980's?

    I've got a '86 Peugeot PE 10DW ('Aubisque') cleaned up and now my daily rider. A pretty smooth ride at that. Got to wondering what bikes and at what weight the pros were using at this time?

    The Peugeot is 23 pds. ('HLE Mangalloy') and has nice, springy feel to it. I've seen on another thread on BF that this Aubisque is a basic, entry-level road bike but, I'm trying to find out much heavier it is compared to a full-on race bike.

    I assume that the Sachs-Huret componets on my Aubisque are entry-level quality but, I haven't found any markings on the FD/RD, apart from the "Sachs-Huret' stampings, that might indicate their precise model numbers.

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    There's quite a bit more than low weight that distinguishes a pro-quality bike from a recreational bike. But the short answer is that most pro bikes of that era were right around 21#.

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    obie,

    I have no idea what year were dealing with but, as a reference, 1989:

    1. Peugeot offered 12 models, the Aubisques was 3rd from the bottom.
    2. Derraileurs were 'rider' in the front and Eco-s in the rear.
    3. The Aubisque weighed 11.2 kgs (24.64) lbs while the lightest Peugeot for '89 was 9.9kgs (21.78lbs) for the carbon and 10.2kgs (22.4lbs) for steel

    Keep in mind that back in the day companies weren't as weight conscience as they are today. All production 531 weighed about the same as did all SLX or whatever tubed road bikes. Awhile back I tried to find out how much of difference there was in frame weights and determined there was ~1 kg (2.2lbs) between an HLE bike and a Reynolds 531 bike while the frame/fork difference was ~.8kg (1.76lbs)
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    Quote Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
    obie,

    I have no idea what year were dealing with but, as a reference, 1989:

    1. Peugeot offered 12 models, the Aubisques was 3rd from the bottom.
    2. Derraileurs were 'rider' in the front and Eco-s in the rear.
    3. The Aubisque weighed 11.2 kgs (24.64) lbs while the lightest Peugeot for '89 was 9.9kgs (21.78lbs) for the carbon and 10.2kgs (22.4lbs) for steel

    Keep in mind that back in the day companies weren't as weight conscience as they are today. All production 531 weighed about the same as did all SLX or whatever tubed road bikes. Awhile back I tried to find out how much of difference there was in frame weights and determined there was ~1 kg (2.2lbs) between an HLE bike and a Reynolds 531 bike while the frame/fork difference was ~.8kg (1.76lbs)

    You lost me there miamijim - what do you mean by frame/fork difference? How could it be less than the frame difference?
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    I think he was referring to comparison of weight difference between a 531 frame/fork VS. HLE frame/fork (1.76lbs), and, separately, the weight difference between the two framesets when built up (2.2lbs).

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    Quote Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
    there was ~1 kg (2.2lbs) between an HLE bike and a Reynolds 531 bike while the frame/fork difference was ~.8kg (1.76lbs)
    Difference in bikes.... 1kg
    Difference in frames... .8kg

    What I did was look for the heaviest 531 bike which would be the one the lowest end or heavier components and compared it to the lightest HLE bike which would be the one with the lightest or highest end components. There's a 1kg difference.

    For the frame difference I did the same thing but compared HLE to 501 (the high end HLE and low end 501 bikes are essentialy spec'd the same) and the 501 to 531 (the high end 501 and low end 531 bikes are essentialy spec'd the same) There's a .6kg difference going from HLE to 501 and a .2kg difference going from 501 to 531 for a total of .8kg difference in frames.
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    Thanks much guys. I dig hearing about this stuff, being that the Pug is my first road bike and I'm blasting up and down the road every chance I can.

    Trying to get this ride tightened up. My local LBS mechanic likes the old steelies and took an interest in getting the bike tuned up.

    I want to get my stuff up to speed on this bike to let the shop know I want to keep this bike tight and fast... (as much as an old bike can be!)

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    As info, the Vitus 980 tubed Peugeots where the lightest steel frames they made in the mid 80's (also the spongiest). They did make two aluminum models for 2-3 years, but they were a failure.
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    obie... your aubisque is a French made Peugeot that was for the French market. We dont see many of those on this side of the Atlantic. At the time it was made Peugeot was still exporting bikes to the U.S. market so its that much more unusual.

    balindamood...I'll do a SLX-980-531-501-HLE comparison later today. Typicaly the SLX framesets were 60grams (2 oz.) heavier than 531P/SL while the 980 framesets were 100 grams (~4oz.) lighter than 531P/SL although its thought the 980 tubesets weight was lacking the headtube.

    The Picheny aluminum were and weren't a failure. They did recall them but I never saw one that had failed. At the time bonded aluminum frames were all the rage and Peugeot was pulling out of the U.S. The stroy was that Peugeot of France didnt want any possible future litigation issues so they recalled the Galaxie/Comete frames and replaced them with Triathlon frames. They show up every now and then.

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    I never saw one fail either (we sold a number of them). My recolection si that the only 'issues' were with the smallest frame size (49 cm I think). They trashed the entire line as you indicated becasue they were pulling out and id not want the perceived liability. We had at least 10 come in to get sawn in half (Peugeot's orders) and replaced with the Triathalon, though I know of at least two that made it out the back door in one peice.
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