Vintage Campy: What's it worth?
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Vintage Campy: What's it worth?
Came across an Campagnolo rear derailler yesterday at the local bicycle salvage place. It's a Gran Tourismo. Looks like chromed steel throughout - large cage - not rusty. It must be OOOOLD!
What's this thing worth? The guy said it was not for sale (they are going to do a display bike?) - but I thought if I offered a nice chunk of change, they might let it go. I'm wondering what i should offer.
What's this thing worth? The guy said it was not for sale (they are going to do a display bike?) - but I thought if I offered a nice chunk of change, they might let it go. I'm wondering what i should offer.
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The Gran Tourismo is pretty much the bottom of the Campy line. It is based on the Valentino standard cage RD which wasn't the best to begin with and with the long cage it is reported to be one of the worst shifting derailleurs ever made although I've never ridden one so I can't say from first hand experience. I'm not sure how much they go for actually. The much better Campagnolo Rally long cage RD (loosely based on Nuovo Record) goes for around $100 so I would expect the Gran Tourismo to go for considerably less.
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I got one, NOS, in the box for $40 plus shipping on ebay a few months ago. I see them with BIN around $50 or so usually.
All this before I learn how poorly they're supposed to shift...............
I haven't mounted it and still don't know if I will.
Won't get the bike back from the painters for awhile so......it will sit in the box while I contemplate what I was thinking in the first place.
I could always use it as a boat anchor.
All this before I learn how poorly they're supposed to shift...............
I haven't mounted it and still don't know if I will.
Won't get the bike back from the painters for awhile so......it will sit in the box while I contemplate what I was thinking in the first place.
I could always use it as a boat anchor.
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I got one, NOS, in the box for $40 plus shipping on ebay a few months ago. I see them with BIN around $50 or so usually.
All this before I learn how poorly they're supposed to shift...............
I haven't mounted it and still don't know if I will.
Won't get the bike back from the painters for awhile so......it will sit in the box while I contemplate what I was thinking in the first place.
I could always use it as a boat anchor.
All this before I learn how poorly they're supposed to shift...............
I haven't mounted it and still don't know if I will.
Won't get the bike back from the painters for awhile so......it will sit in the box while I contemplate what I was thinking in the first place.
I could always use it as a boat anchor.
Danny
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Beside the fact they weigh like a ton or so,,,
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In keeping with the new policy...
$3.50 or whatever the market will bear.
OFG rules!
$3.50 or whatever the market will bear.
OFG rules!
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The Gran Tourismo is pretty much the bottom of the Campy line. It is based on the Valentino standard cage RD which wasn't the best to begin with and with the long cage it is reported to be one of the worst shifting derailleurs ever made although I've never ridden one so I can't say from first hand experience. I'm not sure how much they go for actually. The much better Campagnolo Rally long cage RD (loosely based on Nuovo Record) goes for around $100 so I would expect the Gran Tourismo to go for considerably less.
I have a Rally, and btw I don't think it's a very good shifter, either. It's certainly lighter than the Gran Turismo, but so is a Huret Allvit.
For a really good vintage rear derailleur try a Huret Duopar or EcoDuoPar. DuoPar means dual parallelogram, and that system just rocks. It beats the Rally by a huge margin in terms of shifting performance. I've used them on two bikes, with no reliability or readjustment issues. I can't say that about any Allvit system I've used or the Gran Sport or Record I had. The Nuovo Records have shown similar stabiilty.
Bad shifting does not always mean not usable. It might still be teh best compromise in a vintage context.
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I have a Gran Tourismo on my 1971 Italvega and it shifts just fine. I think many comments are base on hearsay and not experience. The Gran Tourismo does take care in shifting - a little overshift then a little back off. It's maybe not the fastest or easiest to use but I like it.
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Sheesh, I knew that when I was a sophomore! Besides, it was an English 3-speed with steel drop bars. Next after that was a Falcon, with Gran Sport!!!! So they did succeed!
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I have a Gran Tourismo on my 1971 Italvega and it shifts just fine. I think many comments are base on hearsay and not experience. The Gran Tourismo does take care in shifting - a little overshift then a little back off. It's maybe not the fastest or easiest to use but I like it.
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Just to be fair to Frank, he did a super job of analyzing and explaining the how and why. He did form his preferences, however! Now that the significant patents have expired, everyne (Shimano, Campy, and SRAM) uses the same basic designs, and has rather uniformly good performance illustrating the concepts he presented. The DuoPar still stands out as an exception, however.
I'd like to put a Gran Turismo on a bike just for the looks, that 1950's modern swoop that the cage has.
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I'd like to put a Gran Turismo on a bike just for the looks, that 1950's modern swoop that the cage has.
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Just to be fair to Frank, he did a super job of analyzing and explaining the how and why. He did form his preferences, however! Now that the significant patents have expired, everyne (Shimano, Campy, and SRAM) uses the same basic designs, and has rather uniformly good performance illustrating the concepts he presented. The DuoPar still stands out as an exception, however.
I'd like to put a Gran Turismo on a bike just for the looks, that 1950's modern swoop that the cage has.
Road Fan
I'd like to put a Gran Turismo on a bike just for the looks, that 1950's modern swoop that the cage has.
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1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo(frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame),
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