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Old 05-31-08, 11:07 PM   #1
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I bought my last road bike back in late 89 or early 90. I can't remember because it's been almost 20 yrs ago. I've probably moved 15 times since then and have lost the owner's manual. It is a Bertoni Professionle which is really a Cinelli frame with Campy gruppo. It's in great condition since I served in the army for 5 years shortly after buying it and didn't have much opportunity to ride it. I also fell in love with mtn. bikes so it sat in storage for another 10+ yrs. I've recently have gotten back into riding road bikes and fell in love all over again with this bike after spending $550 on a complete tune-up and accouterments (ouch!). When I brought it to the shop the kid working there really made me feel my age but he did truly appreciate the bike I could tell. I think I paid about $1,200 for it originally and thought the evolution of bikes had reached its pinnacle so I splurged. Can any one out there tell me what campy I have on it? I think it might be Super record but couldn't tell you these days. What the history of the Bertoni line is? I look at it now just as I did some 18 years ago and truly appreciate the handcraftsmanship and attention to detail and would like to know anything about it including thoughts. Or maybe point me in the right direction on where to look.
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Old 05-31-08, 11:28 PM   #2
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Without photos we can't be of much help with an ID. You can check out Velobase and look for the Campy components that are on your bike to get an ID... http://velobase.com/

Can't say I am familiar with Bertoni bikes so I will leave that for someone else to elaborate upon.
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Old 06-01-08, 08:28 AM   #3
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Bikes built after '85 rarely came with Campy SR, since it wasn't being produced.
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Old 06-01-08, 11:32 AM   #4
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A Bertoni built by Cinelli could be very rare: consensus of opinion is that they were contract-built by Bianchi, but since Ben Lawee used whoever he wanted, maybe Cinelli got employed, too. Pics would sure help.
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Old 06-01-08, 02:56 PM   #5
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Just too add: Lawee also imported Univega and, earlier, Italvega. The three brands were his brands and he contracted the work to frame builders in Italy and, in the case of Univega, Japan. Anyway, they are decent bikes (I have one) with good value for the money, but they don't draw much collector interest. Post some pics (components, lugs, decals, etc.) and the collective memory of the C&V forum can tell you all you need to know.
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Old 06-01-08, 03:05 PM   #6
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Does your bike look like this:

http://bike123.com/used_bikes/used_b...E_bv.php?ID=87

If so, it seems to be full Columbus SLX, a nice tubeset. Probably not made by Cinelli, but who knows.
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Old 06-02-08, 08:09 AM   #7
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Hey, you thatmy bike.

That's it exactly. My has Cinelli engraved on the bottom of the crank thing-a-majiggy. I'll send pics asap.
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Hey, that's my bike!

That's it exactly. Mine has Cinelli engraved on the bottom of the crank thing-a-majiggy. I'll send pics asap.
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Old 06-02-08, 08:35 AM   #9
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Thank you!

I went to Velobase and looked at all the different Campy stuff and I ID mine to be super record as I had thought it was but wasn't sure anymore. Thanks for all the help.
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quote: "My has Cinelli engraved on the bottom of the crank thing-a-majiggy"
I think you mean it has a Cinelli bottom bracket shell, and that's no indication that Cinelli made the frame. Cinelli frame-building parts were sold to and used by hundreds of frame builders, in Italy and all over the world.
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Old 06-05-08, 10:19 AM   #11
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Thanks, now I know. Learn something new everyday.
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