Elev12k

You're right. That is when going to school or work, but not during races.

Yes, opoefiets is what people abroad call 'Dutch bikes'. In Holland there are more bikes than people. Roadbikes represent a relatively small fraction, but they are still very numerous. Roadracing is a very popular sport. Many people are doing it. There is interesting history, people, brands and more. I do not think it has to be ignored as the utilitarian bikes outnumber the roadbikes.

I do not oppose against utilitarian 'Dutch bikes' in this topic or elsewhere on the forums. I do not see a NA fixation for the bikes how you describe, as compared to for example Italian bikes the covering is very modest and in my perception by a limited selection of people.

Elev12k

Legrand built Presto Tour Speciaal (yes, with 2x 'a')

buldogge

Ooooh...Nice. I was wondering what that was in your avatar Mel....you have been scoring some great stuff lately!

Elev12k

It is not a recent score. I know exactly when I got it. The day when Holland played against Spain last year (soccer). I only now sorted some proper pics.



The Presto typical triple Andreas cross engravings on stays >>



...and XXX cut outs can also be found under the shell (sorry no pic ).

Tidy work by Jan >>



Often seen on Prestos: squarish brake bridge (and chainstay reinforcement tube) >>



Not much doubt on origins: logo derived from Amsterdam coat of arms >>



The Tour Speciaal allows long reach brake callipers and with its eyelets it is ready for fenders.

buldogge

^^^ Love it...just beautiful, love the pantos!

Are you going to build it up? What specs are you thinking??

Elev12k

I do not have intentions to build it up soon, but the frame will be a great starting point for the l'eroica or similar event. I think for that it will get used. Probably Nuovo Record or all black early Dura Ace would be the way to go. The frame is from 1975.

stevenc

Here's a Gazelle Champion Mondial AB frame I build up recently. It's now mostly Shimano 105, only the cranks are Ofmega and the shifters are the original Campagnolo - Gazelle panto'd.
It's for sale, about €350.

rhm

Well, anyone who's been following the C&V sales forum will know that big chainring decided to sell his Cera, that he first posted a few pages back....

Well, I thought, that's a good size for me... and I have all the parts I need for a not-too-anachronistic build... and I weakened.

Then I thought about how good those gold Mafac 2000's look on it, and I persuaded him to sell me the brakes, too. I didn't really need the brakes, but thought they were cool! Also included with the frame were the Zeus seat post, Campy BB and Stronglight headset.

The frame arrived yesterday and I built it up right away:

The wheels are actually the first pair of wheels I ever built, Super Champion 'Gentleman' rims on Campy low flange hubs. I should rebuild them with better spokes but they seem okay for now.

I've had the Avocet pedals since 1983... I've put thousands of miles on those, too.

I've had the Suntour Command shifters since maybe 1995, but haven't used them much; they were on my Trek for a while, then on my PX10.

I picked up the ITM 120 mm stem off ebay five or ten years ago for a bike I ended up not building; it's sat in my parts bin ever since.

The rest of the components are a tribute to this forum!

TA crank from JimMuller, with 47/34T rings and 160 mm arms (I like short crank arms, and finding a pair this short is not easy!)

Brooks saddle and zefal pump umbrella from Collin...


44 cm Scott handlebar from BigBossMan...

Rear Cyclone Mk II derailleur and zefal hp pump from -holiday76...

Front Cyclone Mk II derailleur from... oh, no, I don't remember! I'll fix that....

Bianchi toe clips from RobE30...

Continental tires from my parts bin...

Italuminium

Good thing you weakened. That is a great bike. Even though the gold brakes are slightly un-dutch

rhm

I accidentally/on purpose left out the country of origin in the list of the parts I installed. But if you look over the list, not only are France and Italy well represented, but England, Spain and Germany as well. I suppose I should have gone for Weinmann stuff so I could put Switzerland and/or Belgium on the list, but I couldn't resist the Mafacs. With the exception of the shifters and derailleurs, it's all European.

What do you think about my idea of putting a Rijksuniversiteit Leiden decal/sticker on the seat tube? I have one, white on a blue background, that I think would look pretty good there....

Italuminium

The MAFACS are more like undutch because dutchies are cheap But it really adds that Austin Powers freaky deaky dutch Goldmember touch! But I really like the idea of the Uni Leiden sticker... I'm currently slaving away at my BAhistory degree there! what's your connection to it?

big chainring 

I like it. Thats a really cool combination of parts.

ENJOY!

eddievan

https://www.flickr.com/photos/4128420...7627006734406/


REMY 1979 Campagnolo GS

and a 1978 HOMMES track bike



https://www.flickr.com/photos/4128420...7626696324988/

Italuminium

Very nice. Never heard of Hommes before, where were/are they from?

Elev12k

Hi eddievan,

I think I do recognize that Remy from a local classified site recently. You scored it? Very nice. Looks to be in quite decent shape!

Italuminium

yup... I think I saw that one too on marktplaats

Elev12k

I think it was of an ensemble of 2, but I could be wrong.

paulkal

Hommes is/was a bikeshop in Soest. Apparantly they had some problems last year and are now closed.
https://www.gooieneemlander.nl/nieuws...en-van-klanten

Italuminium

that's a nasty story.

lotek 

I've got a Remy too, was a gift from a friend of sr70guy's
sadly I haven't built it up yet.

eddievan

yeah the Remy was on Marktplaats-well spotted

the Hommes was handbuilt in 1978 when they still built their own bikes-
good quality frame and beautiful slate black colour
which i've never seen before on vintage bikes
( bike is sold btw)
in the 80's the trouble started..and I think it never stopped

lotek 

Hey, lets watch it here, you're mentioning Marktplaats too often, pretty soon you're gonna
have a bunch of foreigners buying dutch bikes. Next thing you know there will be another
sizable collection in texas (besides mine).
M'plaats has always been my little secret for finding good bikes, guess that
cat's out of the bag.

Marty

Italuminium

LOL, sorry for that. The FINDING is not the problem, usually, the FUNDING is. May I should start an export/facilitation business (even though I'm completely against an inept in the making of money on bikes).

lotek 

well when I started funding wasn't an issue.
1974 RIH, €120 shipped (with complete NR gruppo sans crankset).
1990 Jan de Reus €50 forget how much shipping was.

unfortunately M'plaats has gotten more notice and prices reflect that.

Marty

Italuminium

Yeah most are around 200 euro now, but hey, I'm a broke student. Luckily I'm on the lookout for the 54-56 size frames, they seem to go for less then the 58-60 ones. And I don't have a car (nor a licence), so I'm mostly scouting local pickups. And the fixie craze is hitting these shores now, unfortunately, so cheap chromo rigs go for insane prices now, and sellers want mountains of gold for them.