Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-01-11, 11:06 PM   #301
s70rguy
presto, pronto, prego!
 
s70rguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Hua Hin Thailand
Bikes: Dave Lloyd custom, Brands SLX, Visser Vainqueur, XACD ti custom, Hewitt Scandium, Presto 1972, and more ...
Posts: 544
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by humanreisberg View Post
Hi everyone, i am pleased to contribute a few more dutch invadors:

My 1986 Gazelle Champion, Campagnolo Victory:


1974 Gazelle C.M. track bike, Campa Record Pista:


Presto, Model Campagnolo (probably early 70ies), Campa G.S.


Regards

K.
Probably not a Presto built Presto. Seems to lack all the usual nifty little Presto details. Looks like a Belgian built, generic Colnago clone frame, so many were used in Holland and Belgium, late 70s, early 80s. I've had a few, very attractive bike this one. Can you show more deatils? Does it have Englsih threaded bb?
s70rguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-11, 02:17 AM   #302
non-fixie 
Shifting is fun!
 
non-fixie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Rhine delta
Bikes: all the ones nobody else seems to want ...
Posts: 4,676
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by b dub View Post
Now that's very interesting. I had been wondering what 'Special Route' on the bottom bracket meant. I figured it had something to do with the routing of the cables, but it didn't really make sense. It didn't occur to me that it is the name of the frame model.



Any change my bike could have been build by van Herwerden himself?
That appears to be not unlikely. PM me with details like the framenumber and Ill try to find out.
non-fixie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-11, 04:18 AM   #303
Elev12k
Senior Member
 
Elev12k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Bikes: (Koga) Miyata, WTB, Fat Chance, Mountain Goat, Grove, Verlicchi, Rafty, Panasonic, Vitus, Gazelle, Batavus, Zieleman, Presto, Peka, RIH, Reus, Vittorio, Simon, Duell, Fongers, Concorde, Alan, Zebrakenko
Posts: 1,264
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
555 guilders for a competition level frame - the good old days

Thanks for sharing
Elev12k is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-11, 04:28 AM   #304
Elev12k
Senior Member
 
Elev12k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Bikes: (Koga) Miyata, WTB, Fat Chance, Mountain Goat, Grove, Verlicchi, Rafty, Panasonic, Vitus, Gazelle, Batavus, Zieleman, Presto, Peka, RIH, Reus, Vittorio, Simon, Duell, Fongers, Concorde, Alan, Zebrakenko
Posts: 1,264
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The receipt of my 1975 Presto Tour Speciaal mentions 1498,50 guilders. The description only mentions a frame + fork. 1500 guilders is A LOT of money for a frameset only back in 1975. I am wondering whether the receipt weren't for the full bike. Anyone who shopped there at the time with an opinion on this?

Elev12k is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-11, 04:48 AM   #305
s70rguy
presto, pronto, prego!
 
s70rguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Hua Hin Thailand
Bikes: Dave Lloyd custom, Brands SLX, Visser Vainqueur, XACD ti custom, Hewitt Scandium, Presto 1972, and more ...
Posts: 544
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)


1977. Frame + chromed fork + headset. 787,50 NLG. Same handwriting?
s70rguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-11, 04:51 AM   #306
s70rguy
presto, pronto, prego!
 
s70rguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Hua Hin Thailand
Bikes: Dave Lloyd custom, Brands SLX, Visser Vainqueur, XACD ti custom, Hewitt Scandium, Presto 1972, and more ...
Posts: 544
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post
That appears to be not unlikely. PM me with details like the framenumber and Ill try to find out.
Late 80s, Duell (Jan van Dalen) made?
s70rguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-11, 07:20 AM   #307
Italuminium
Cisalpinist
 
Italuminium's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Holland
Bikes: blue ones.
Posts: 5,557
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by b dub View Post
Now that's very interesting. I had been wondering what 'Special Route' on the bottom bracket meant. I figured it had something to do with the routing of the cables, but it didn't really make sense. It didn't occur to me that it is the name of the frame model.
Special Route in this case means that it's build for road racing (as opposed to dedicated crit geometry in the bike above it in the add).
Italuminium is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-11, 07:22 AM   #308
Italuminium
Cisalpinist
 
Italuminium's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Holland
Bikes: blue ones.
Posts: 5,557
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
BTW, I might be able to checkt it out with the shop themselves, It's only 15 mins. by bike from my house.
Italuminium is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-11, 04:14 PM   #309
Elev12k
Senior Member
 
Elev12k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Bikes: (Koga) Miyata, WTB, Fat Chance, Mountain Goat, Grove, Verlicchi, Rafty, Panasonic, Vitus, Gazelle, Batavus, Zieleman, Presto, Peka, RIH, Reus, Vittorio, Simon, Duell, Fongers, Concorde, Alan, Zebrakenko
Posts: 1,264
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by s70rguy View Post

1977. Frame + chromed fork + headset. 787,50 NLG. Same handwriting?
Thanks Freek. That makes 1498,50 for the full bike most plausible.
Elev12k is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-11, 08:21 PM   #310
b dub 
CL Addict
 
b dub's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Evanston, IL
Bikes:
Posts: 837
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post
That appears to be not unlikely. PM me with details like the framenumber and Ill try to find out.
I've looked everywhere, but I have not been able to find a serial number. I checked the bottom bracket as well as the rear dropouts. The guy I bought it from claimed the frame to be from 1986. I forgot to ask him how he knew this, since he told me he bought the bike for the Campagnolo components. He either knew it from the previous owner or he just guessed. Who knows.

Here are a couple more pictures of two distinct design features of the bike (sorry for the poor quality photos):

The blade shape front fork:



And the heart cutout in the Cinelli bottom bracket:



I guess it's also worth mentioning that the front and rear dropouts are Campagnolo.
__________________
'50s Leon Cattrysse - '72 Canadian Tire Company Supercycle - '74 Raleigh International - '83 Nishiki Cresta -
'84 Centurion Turbo - '86 v. Herwerden (Chesini) - '87 Specialized Sirrus - '88 Trek 2000 - '92 Schwinn Paramount Series 30

Last edited by b dub; 10-02-11 at 08:55 PM.
b dub is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-11, 04:47 AM   #311
eddievan
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 16
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
v.herwerden

here's another connection to the Van Herwerden..a Zullini
built app. in Italy esp. for the Van Herwerden shop
it's a lightweight Columbus Sl frame 'criterium'
http://www.flickr.com/photos/4128420...7627558186581/
eddievan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-11, 05:06 AM   #312
Italuminium
Cisalpinist
 
Italuminium's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Holland
Bikes: blue ones.
Posts: 5,557
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by eddievan View Post
here's another connection to the Van Herwerden..a Zullini
built app. in Italy esp. for the Van Herwerden shop
it's a lightweight Columbus Sl frame 'criterium'
http://www.flickr.com/photos/4128420...7627558186581/
Nice bike. Not sure if I like the modern calipers though, but I like GS brakes. BTW your username had me listening Van Halen all morning
Italuminium is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-11, 05:55 AM   #313
s70rguy
presto, pronto, prego!
 
s70rguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Hua Hin Thailand
Bikes: Dave Lloyd custom, Brands SLX, Visser Vainqueur, XACD ti custom, Hewitt Scandium, Presto 1972, and more ...
Posts: 544
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by b dub View Post
I've looked everywhere, but I have not been able to find a serial number. I checked the bottom bracket as well as the rear dropouts. The guy I bought it from claimed the frame to be from 1986. I forgot to ask him how he knew this, since he told me he bought the bike for the Campagnolo components. He either knew it from the previous owner or he just guessed. Who knows.

Here are a couple more pictures of two distinct design features of the bike (sorry for the poor quality photos):

The blade shape front fork:



And the heart cutout in the Cinelli bottom bracket:



I guess it's also worth mentioning that the front and rear dropouts are Campagnolo.
Please take the trouble to check the threading of the bb. if its Italian Im pretty sure its itaalian build.
s70rguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-11, 04:15 AM   #314
humanreisberg
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Germany
Bikes:
Posts: 107
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The Presto bottom bracket says 1,370 * 24tpi, it is an English thread. The frame has a short serial number: 179

I have a Presto track frame set too, serial says P1042, but i don't know the age of the frame too.

Here are some detailed shots of the Presto:





humanreisberg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-11, 05:26 AM   #315
s70rguy
presto, pronto, prego!
 
s70rguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Hua Hin Thailand
Bikes: Dave Lloyd custom, Brands SLX, Visser Vainqueur, XACD ti custom, Hewitt Scandium, Presto 1972, and more ...
Posts: 544
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Only now i see the three crosses on the brake levers. Pretty! Never saw that particular detail before ..

Other than that ... seems like a Belgian made frame to me.
s70rguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-11, 07:03 AM   #316
humanreisberg
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Germany
Bikes:
Posts: 107
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I got the Presto from a older guy near Amsterdam who lives on a houseboat. Recording to the friend of mine who picked up the bike for me, the seller claimed to be the only owner and said that back in the day he was friends with the people at Presto (in Amsterdam). After the bike arrived at my place, i tried to contact the seller again for some more information, but i never got an answer from him.
humanreisberg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-11, 12:20 PM   #317
non-fixie 
Shifting is fun!
 
non-fixie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Rhine delta
Bikes: all the ones nobody else seems to want ...
Posts: 4,676
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
My latest Dutch addition to the scuderia: a Blom with an interesting paint job.

Blom is an LBS in the Amsterdam area. Story that came with the bike (from the second owner) is that mr Blom made this bike for himself. He probably took off most of the original parts and replaced them with Shimano Exage before selling it. Judging by the headset it was originally equiped with Dura Ace.

Still need to find out who built the frame, but with columbus DO's, a Cinelli spoiler BB shell and the little hanger on the top tube it is a nice frame anyway.







non-fixie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-11, 04:48 AM   #318
steinbra
Member
 
steinbra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Oslo, Norway
Bikes: Duell Performance, Koga-Miyata Pro-Racer, RIH Model Campagnolo, 96 Spezialized Rockhopper Comp
Posts: 47
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Its a lovely bike anyhow! In great condition too! Question: Anyone have any tip on how to do that handlebartape ending with the thread instead of ugly electrotape?
steinbra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-11, 02:35 PM   #319
non-fixie 
Shifting is fun!
 
non-fixie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Rhine delta
Bikes: all the ones nobody else seems to want ...
Posts: 4,676
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Thanks. Re the bar tape finishing string thing: there are a couple of threads on the subject. Here's one of them:

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...Wrap-Technique

There is also some info on instructables.com

http://www.instructables.com/id/Hand...d-shellac-cov/
non-fixie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-11, 06:49 PM   #320
Italuminium
Cisalpinist
 
Italuminium's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Holland
Bikes: blue ones.
Posts: 5,557
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post
My latest Dutch addition to the scuderia: a Blom with an interesting paint job.

Blom is an LBS in the Amsterdam area. Story that came with the bike (from the second owner) is that mr Blom made this bike for himself. He probably took off most of the original parts and replaced them with Shimano Exage before selling it. Judging by the headset it was originally equiped with Dura Ace.

Still need to find out who built the frame, but with columbus DO's, a Cinelli spoiler BB shell and the little hanger on the top tube it is a nice frame anyway.







Very nice frame. The exage, not so much. I restored a bike with it last year, and while it looks futuristic and flashy and functions fine, it lacks the luster that a nice campy group or DA has. BTW is Blom connected to the Blom shop from Leusden? the owner puts on some very nice vintage stuff on marktplaats from time to time, I believe...
Italuminium is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-11, 02:18 PM   #321
non-fixie 
Shifting is fun!
 
non-fixie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Rhine delta
Bikes: all the ones nobody else seems to want ...
Posts: 4,676
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Italuminium View Post
Very nice frame. The exage, not so much. I restored a bike with it last year, and while it looks futuristic and flashy and functions fine, it lacks the luster that a nice campy group or DA has. BTW is Blom connected to the Blom shop from Leusden? the owner puts on some very nice vintage stuff on marktplaats from time to time, I believe...
Agree on the Exage. It's pretty good stuff, but it does not belong on this frame. I have a DA group sitting on my Cannondale runabout that I might put on this bike. Frame carries a sticker "Sjaak Blom", of the Blom & Blom in Mijdrecht and Uithoorn, I think. No connection to Leusden that I know of.
non-fixie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-11, 07:04 AM   #322
s70rguy
presto, pronto, prego!
 
s70rguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Hua Hin Thailand
Bikes: Dave Lloyd custom, Brands SLX, Visser Vainqueur, XACD ti custom, Hewitt Scandium, Presto 1972, and more ...
Posts: 544
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
As some of you know, I have moved from the Netherlands to Thailand earlier this year. Since then I have tried to invade Thailand with Dutch bikes, with some success.

Thailand has a growing number of cycling enthusiasts more so mtb-ers, no that much roadies. And a lot of fixie people of course.
And also people that like classsic steel, fortunately. Not much knowledge, everybody seems to want a Colnago or a Eddy Merckx, and preferably a track frame. Which I dont have!

So far I have found new owners for a Gazelle Champion Mondial Team frame, a Gazelle CM AB-frame, a Gazelle CM AA-Special complete bike, a Sirocco complete bike, a Koga Miyata FullPro frame, a Van Tuyl Quattro frame (made in Italy of course). Besides that two Diamant (Belgium) complete bikes, and two U. Scanini (Belgium) frames. The Thai people I have to got to know better (and very nice people they are) contact me with questions sometime, and also want more bikes/frames! But I am all out of small sizes really, not ready yet to sell my beloved bikes that fit me ...
s70rguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-11, 03:51 PM   #323
non-fixie 
Shifting is fun!
 
non-fixie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Rhine delta
Bikes: all the ones nobody else seems to want ...
Posts: 4,676
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post
My latest Dutch addition to the scuderia: a Blom with an interesting paint job.

Update on the Blom: I spoke with mr Blom today. He remembered this bike ("oh, that's a veeeery old bike!''). This bike belonged to one of his mechanics, who persuaded him to sponsor his cycling ambitions in 1995. As part of the deal his Italian frame (''possibly a Concorde") was repainted in its current Blom livery, and named after its owner, who was apparently nicknamed ''the beast'' by his colleagues.
non-fixie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-11, 10:47 AM   #324
simran
Senior Member
 
simran's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Stockholm, SD
Bikes: My daily ride is a Batavus, Marin (steel & carbon) only rode it a few times since I came back from the island. Dahon single spd. that's been all over the world with me. 1930's Hercules I'm trying to gather parts to restore it. A Royal Enfield.
Posts: 53
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by steinbra View Post
Its a lovely bike anyhow! In great condition too! Question: Anyone have any tip on how to do that handlebartape ending with the thread instead of ugly electrotape?
It is the same as wrapping the eyelets on a fishing rod. If you look up rod building you may find a tutorial that shows how. It's to hard to explain in words. A good search should net a tutorial with pictures I bet.
simran is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-11, 10:44 AM   #325
humanreisberg
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Germany
Bikes:
Posts: 107
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I really didn't expect it, but Presto answered my mail. I asked about the serial number of my Presto track frame and it turned out, that the frame was made in 1972 for dutch track champion Leo Duyndam. Presto send me the original scanned order for that frame set:


Presto track frame order (1972) by dutch champion Leo Duyndam von thehumanreisberg auf Flickr

I still need some time to finish the frame, elev12k helped me with some infos & pics, so i can rebuild the original decals.

One question: Was P. Serier the only person at Presto who build frames with open fork-, seat- & chain stays (like the PEKA bike elev12k posted a while ago)?

Greetings

Reisberg
humanreisberg is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:46 AM.