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    Quote Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post
    Van Herwerden did make at least some of the frames they sold. This is an ad from december 1979. Says Ton van Herwerden is the frame builder of these two.
    (Sorry about the picture quality, but the scanner's on the blink.)

    Now that's very interesting. I had been wondering what 'Special Route' on the bottom bracket meant. I figured it had something to do with the routing of the cables, but it didn't really make sense. It didn't occur to me that it is the name of the frame model.



    Any change my bike could have been build by van Herwerden himself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by humanreisberg View Post
    Hi everyone, i am pleased to contribute a few more dutch invadors:

    My 1986 Gazelle Champion, Campagnolo Victory:


    1974 Gazelle C.M. track bike, Campa Record Pista:


    Presto, Model Campagnolo (probably early 70ies), Campa G.S.


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    Probably not a Presto built Presto. Seems to lack all the usual nifty little Presto details. Looks like a Belgian built, generic Colnago clone frame, so many were used in Holland and Belgium, late 70s, early 80s. I've had a few, very attractive bike this one. Can you show more deatils? Does it have Englsih threaded bb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by b dub View Post
    Now that's very interesting. I had been wondering what 'Special Route' on the bottom bracket meant. I figured it had something to do with the routing of the cables, but it didn't really make sense. It didn't occur to me that it is the name of the frame model.



    Any change my bike could have been build by van Herwerden himself?
    That appears to be not unlikely. PM me with details like the framenumber and Ill try to find out.

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    555 guilders for a competition level frame - the good old days

    Thanks for sharing
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    The receipt of my 1975 Presto Tour Speciaal mentions 1498,50 guilders. The description only mentions a frame + fork. 1500 guilders is A LOT of money for a frameset only back in 1975. I am wondering whether the receipt weren't for the full bike. Anyone who shopped there at the time with an opinion on this?

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    1977. Frame + chromed fork + headset. 787,50 NLG. Same handwriting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post
    That appears to be not unlikely. PM me with details like the framenumber and Ill try to find out.
    Late 80s, Duell (Jan van Dalen) made?

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    Quote Originally Posted by b dub View Post
    Now that's very interesting. I had been wondering what 'Special Route' on the bottom bracket meant. I figured it had something to do with the routing of the cables, but it didn't really make sense. It didn't occur to me that it is the name of the frame model.
    Special Route in this case means that it's build for road racing (as opposed to dedicated crit geometry in the bike above it in the add).
    Pass the Dutchie on the non-drive side.
    Rather a 100$ bike with 1000$ wheels than a 1000$ bike with 100$ wheels.

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    BTW, I might be able to checkt it out with the shop themselves, It's only 15 mins. by bike from my house.
    Pass the Dutchie on the non-drive side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s70rguy View Post

    1977. Frame + chromed fork + headset. 787,50 NLG. Same handwriting?
    Thanks Freek. That makes 1498,50 for the full bike most plausible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post
    That appears to be not unlikely. PM me with details like the framenumber and Ill try to find out.
    I've looked everywhere, but I have not been able to find a serial number. I checked the bottom bracket as well as the rear dropouts. The guy I bought it from claimed the frame to be from 1986. I forgot to ask him how he knew this, since he told me he bought the bike for the Campagnolo components. He either knew it from the previous owner or he just guessed. Who knows.

    Here are a couple more pictures of two distinct design features of the bike (sorry for the poor quality photos):

    The blade shape front fork:



    And the heart cutout in the Cinelli bottom bracket:



    I guess it's also worth mentioning that the front and rear dropouts are Campagnolo.
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    v.herwerden

    here's another connection to the Van Herwerden..a Zullini
    built app. in Italy esp. for the Van Herwerden shop
    it's a lightweight Columbus Sl frame 'criterium'
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/4128420...7627558186581/

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddievan View Post
    here's another connection to the Van Herwerden..a Zullini
    built app. in Italy esp. for the Van Herwerden shop
    it's a lightweight Columbus Sl frame 'criterium'
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/4128420...7627558186581/
    Nice bike. Not sure if I like the modern calipers though, but I like GS brakes. BTW your username had me listening Van Halen all morning
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    Quote Originally Posted by b dub View Post
    I've looked everywhere, but I have not been able to find a serial number. I checked the bottom bracket as well as the rear dropouts. The guy I bought it from claimed the frame to be from 1986. I forgot to ask him how he knew this, since he told me he bought the bike for the Campagnolo components. He either knew it from the previous owner or he just guessed. Who knows.

    Here are a couple more pictures of two distinct design features of the bike (sorry for the poor quality photos):

    The blade shape front fork:



    And the heart cutout in the Cinelli bottom bracket:



    I guess it's also worth mentioning that the front and rear dropouts are Campagnolo.
    Please take the trouble to check the threading of the bb. if its Italian Im pretty sure its itaalian build.

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    The Presto bottom bracket says 1,370 * 24tpi, it is an English thread. The frame has a short serial number: 179

    I have a Presto track frame set too, serial says P1042, but i don't know the age of the frame too.

    Here are some detailed shots of the Presto:






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    Only now i see the three crosses on the brake levers. Pretty! Never saw that particular detail before ..

    Other than that ... seems like a Belgian made frame to me.

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    I got the Presto from a older guy near Amsterdam who lives on a houseboat. Recording to the friend of mine who picked up the bike for me, the seller claimed to be the only owner and said that back in the day he was friends with the people at Presto (in Amsterdam). After the bike arrived at my place, i tried to contact the seller again for some more information, but i never got an answer from him.

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    My latest Dutch addition to the scuderia: a Blom with an interesting paint job.

    Blom is an LBS in the Amsterdam area. Story that came with the bike (from the second owner) is that mr Blom made this bike for himself. He probably took off most of the original parts and replaced them with Shimano Exage before selling it. Judging by the headset it was originally equiped with Dura Ace.

    Still need to find out who built the frame, but with columbus DO's, a Cinelli spoiler BB shell and the little hanger on the top tube it is a nice frame anyway.








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    Its a lovely bike anyhow! In great condition too! Question: Anyone have any tip on how to do that handlebartape ending with the thread instead of ugly electrotape?
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    Thanks. Re the bar tape finishing string thing: there are a couple of threads on the subject. Here's one of them:

    http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...Wrap-Technique

    There is also some info on instructables.com

    http://www.instructables.com/id/Hand...d-shellac-cov/

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    Quote Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post
    My latest Dutch addition to the scuderia: a Blom with an interesting paint job.

    Blom is an LBS in the Amsterdam area. Story that came with the bike (from the second owner) is that mr Blom made this bike for himself. He probably took off most of the original parts and replaced them with Shimano Exage before selling it. Judging by the headset it was originally equiped with Dura Ace.

    Still need to find out who built the frame, but with columbus DO's, a Cinelli spoiler BB shell and the little hanger on the top tube it is a nice frame anyway.







    Very nice frame. The exage, not so much. I restored a bike with it last year, and while it looks futuristic and flashy and functions fine, it lacks the luster that a nice campy group or DA has. BTW is Blom connected to the Blom shop from Leusden? the owner puts on some very nice vintage stuff on marktplaats from time to time, I believe...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Italuminium View Post
    Very nice frame. The exage, not so much. I restored a bike with it last year, and while it looks futuristic and flashy and functions fine, it lacks the luster that a nice campy group or DA has. BTW is Blom connected to the Blom shop from Leusden? the owner puts on some very nice vintage stuff on marktplaats from time to time, I believe...
    Agree on the Exage. It's pretty good stuff, but it does not belong on this frame. I have a DA group sitting on my Cannondale runabout that I might put on this bike. Frame carries a sticker "Sjaak Blom", of the Blom & Blom in Mijdrecht and Uithoorn, I think. No connection to Leusden that I know of.

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    As some of you know, I have moved from the Netherlands to Thailand earlier this year. Since then I have tried to invade Thailand with Dutch bikes, with some success.

    Thailand has a growing number of cycling enthusiasts more so mtb-ers, no that much roadies. And a lot of fixie people of course.
    And also people that like classsic steel, fortunately. Not much knowledge, everybody seems to want a Colnago or a Eddy Merckx, and preferably a track frame. Which I dont have!

    So far I have found new owners for a Gazelle Champion Mondial Team frame, a Gazelle CM AB-frame, a Gazelle CM AA-Special complete bike, a Sirocco complete bike, a Koga Miyata FullPro frame, a Van Tuyl Quattro frame (made in Italy of course). Besides that two Diamant (Belgium) complete bikes, and two U. Scanini (Belgium) frames. The Thai people I have to got to know better (and very nice people they are) contact me with questions sometime, and also want more bikes/frames! But I am all out of small sizes really, not ready yet to sell my beloved bikes that fit me ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post
    My latest Dutch addition to the scuderia: a Blom with an interesting paint job.

    Update on the Blom: I spoke with mr Blom today. He remembered this bike ("oh, that's a veeeery old bike!''). This bike belonged to one of his mechanics, who persuaded him to sponsor his cycling ambitions in 1995. As part of the deal his Italian frame (''possibly a Concorde") was repainted in its current Blom livery, and named after its owner, who was apparently nicknamed ''the beast'' by his colleagues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steinbra View Post
    Its a lovely bike anyhow! In great condition too! Question: Anyone have any tip on how to do that handlebartape ending with the thread instead of ugly electrotape?
    It is the same as wrapping the eyelets on a fishing rod. If you look up rod building you may find a tutorial that shows how. It's to hard to explain in words. A good search should net a tutorial with pictures I bet.

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