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Old 08-25-13, 09:16 AM   #1151
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You finished it, way to go and looking good I might add

Those waterbottles are cool.
Ah yes it took awhile to adjust to the rust, blisters, dirt etc, but this way it has it's own 'beauty' and yes although the water bottles/holders should be on the downtube it was a ehh non destructive add on so to speak. It really gives the entire bike that oemph look :-)
But than again i have no objective opinion

And no it won't be a rider on event's it's just standing in the living room.
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Old 08-27-13, 02:26 AM   #1152
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Here is my wife's new old bike. A Tomos, which is a Slovenia brand of mopeds. However this bike was made in Holland, in about 1973.
Our neighbour gave it to us. it was het mother's bike.



Here is the proof that it is made in Holland:



It does have one small issue with the bottom bracket shell:

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Finally ready to be shown this late ? 60s locomotief.

That Locomotief came out very nice. Congratulations.
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Problem is the same as with my own restored '72 Presto. getting a great new paintjob is possible, just go to Leen. The right decals: possible. But the chromed fork ... mine was rattle can sprayed, and for a good reason: a lot of pitted rust on the fork legs. I just didn't dare to rechrome that, for risk of weakening the fork legs. Any opinions about that?
When we painted Kroozer's Zieleman we ran into same issue, badly peeling chrome 'socks' I discussed it with David and his thought is if the prep work was done well and there isn't too much crud under the original chrome it's doable and shouldn't compromize the tubing too much. When we blasted off the existing chrome the stays were pitted from years of neglect. David and I both agreed that an extra layer of epoxy primer would seal the pits (nothing too deep) and sand down well enough to not show. I've heard too many horror stories of bikes being ruined at chromer (galvanizer?) to bother with it. David uses a guy who does custom Motorcycle parts here in Dallas and even then spends many more hours prepping the frame.

Zieleman, I have an 'extra' Zieleman badge, horrid thing imho let me know if you're interested.

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Old 08-28-13, 03:22 AM   #1155
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Zieleman, I have an 'extra' Zieleman badge, horrid thing imho let me know if you're interested.

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A 'horrid' Zieleman badge? I wonder what that looks like...
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Zieleman,

Well it's not 'horrid' however my personal opinion is that a 'proper' Zieleman should have the Ko Zieleman decal.
I don't have picture on one except a very unclear photo of a bike in the Zieleman shop from a few years back.
I will take photo and post it when I get back home next week.
As for the headbadge, it's the typical one I've seen, Zieleman across the top? with rider on a bike.

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Old 08-28-13, 03:56 AM   #1157
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Zieleman,

Well it's not 'horrid' however my personal opinion is that a 'proper' Zieleman should have the Ko Zieleman decal.
I don't have picture on one except a very unclear photo of a bike in the Zieleman shop from a few years back.
I will take photo and post it when I get back home next week.
As for the headbadge, it's the typical one I've seen, Zieleman across the top? with rider on a bike.

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Do you mean this one Marty:

I'm more in favour of the classic headbadge:

Pullup gave me a set of black decals for my long-term project (Zieleman piste-frame) of which it's the idea to ask Leen for the repaint as well. Fingers crossed he's willing to. Now for a nice colour to choose. I was thinking of white, but procrastrinating on the final decision.
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Old 08-28-13, 04:02 AM   #1158
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Jah that's the one. I have at least 2 NOS badges plus one or two RIH badges that I will not part with easily!
If you need the color codes I used on Kroozer's bike let me know, and I know where to get decent decals.
I'm also going to send Gary (decal person) photo's of what the W/C stripes should look like.
here's the sample sheet that he sent when I ordered the Zieleman decals. btw they are
outstanding to work with, and being waterslide were easy to position correctly.

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Jah that's the one. I have at least 2 NOS badges plus one or two RIH badges that I will not part with easily!
If you need the color codes I used on Kroozer's bike let me know, and I know where to get decent decals.
I'm also going to send Gary (decal person) photo's of what the W/C stripes should look like.
here's the sample sheet that he sent when I ordered the Zieleman decals. btw they are
outstanding to work with, and being waterslide were easy to position correctly.

Those look pretty good Marty and probably are easier to apply compared to my own 'laktransfers', altough i don't think Leen will have a problem with those.
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That is pretty cool indeed! Though I wonder why on the sheet, Zieleman is spelled with two N's?
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The only thing is that Gary won't deal with individuals, has to be purchased from framebuilder/painter/refinisher.
I paid $60 for 2 sheets.
I can find a link to his website if you need it.
Zieleman if you're interested in one of the headbadges let me know via pm.

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Old 08-28-13, 04:30 AM   #1162
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Gary's link is SSINK.COM
and if you're looking for something really special he can make
Varnish Fix decals however I don't think I want to mess with those,
besides I think they'd be very expensive.

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Old 09-06-13, 02:43 AM   #1163
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Ahem... Let me send out a request to 'whoever' has purchased a nice Dutch bike lately to post some nice pics up n here
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Old 09-06-13, 08:29 AM   #1164
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Presto Jan LeGrand 1978 Campagnolo NR. This bike is from my own year of birth. This week i have been riding this bike alot. Yesterday as a commuter during the day and in the evening for a big lap 34/km/hour Ringvaart. This one wears me out but I like to ride it hard.
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Old 09-06-13, 08:45 AM   #1165
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Excellent, just what I wanted to see! It's a true grail bike, Wouter. High flange hubs, full NR and that saddle fits perfectly.

Seriously, 34 an hour? We should ride out together sometime soon, so I can stayer in your wheel and sharpen my personal best.
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Yes 34/km/hour but not that much harsch labour upfront from this guy. Actually I was very tired from the day before and my commuting trip of that day. A little bit afraid after my promise to join that evening. My partners were some haute categorie dwarfs (quintana midgets). Among them an Iron Man. At home completely battered hanging on the couch as a couch potato with saliva almost drooling out of my face.
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Old 09-06-13, 01:12 PM   #1167
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Wouter, your Presto is truly wonderful and a great pic too.

What Don said, this qualifies as a grailbike if there ever was one.
You will get the midgets next time
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Old 09-07-13, 06:18 AM   #1168
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Very nice Money well spent.
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A Dutch and a Dutch-Japanese frame:







Jan de Reus and Koga-Miyata FullPro-L

JdR
Reynolds 531 butted
Prugnat lugs
Campagnolo 1010B dropouts

FP-L
Tange Champion #1
microfusion lugs
open shell ('M' cut outs)
Shimano SFR dropouts

The Jan de Reus frame has a very interesting Galli needle bearing headset fitted. A quick web search taught me that this is model Super Criterium. Not often seen and very durable.

The FullPro-L was one step up from the FullPro, what was pretty much the Team Miyata equivilent.
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Old 09-09-13, 09:44 AM   #1170
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Nice haul, guys. I missed out on a full pro last month, still sad
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I have several of both. Both great bikes. The FullPro-L uses slightly lighter tubing (FullPro = Tange #2) and is built somewhat steeper. There is also some difference in frame detailing. For example the wrap over stays >>>



The 'regular' FullPro shows caps with 'Pro' or 'Koga' engraved.

The FP-L has lush thick LF ends and (vertical) SFR dropouts that for the most part are left unpainted. The FP has still nice Shimano ends and dropouts (always horizontal) where only the flanges are left unpainted. The FP-L has a braze on for the front mech. Not very common for a 1980 frame. Some other finishing details are slightly more luxerious, like reinforced bottle bosses.
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This bike forum is awesome!

I bought it from a dutch guy in NJ. I just love it. I bought white tires and they are at my house now! I am itchign to leave work and slap those babies on!

i would love it if anyone could give me any info on this bike. i am having a very hard time finding any info and a chain guard!

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Nice frames. FP-L as the pinnacle of Koga with a nice Reus example. A lovely late 70s early 80s colour schem on the REUS.
There is a real nice REUS gem for sale at this moment 56ct http://link.marktplaats.nl/717231236 . I agreed earlier on with a preveous seller to pick that markplaats bike (that frame comes from a bike which has been split up) up with nice goodies such as REUS Campagnolo clothing Campa tools and SR group. 74 year old bastard sold it to another guy. Never like to get f*cked by the elderly people....
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That is pity, Wouter. Elderly people can't be trusted The fact that it would be too small softens the pain a tiny bit ...maybe. The Reus frame under the link is very nice. If I were in the market for a frame that size I would certainly participate in that auction. Reus is about the best I've ridden.


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little bit OT & Dutch only. In my opinion Henk Krol actually likes it to get f*cked by the elderly
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