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    Quote Originally Posted by Italuminium View Post
    Wow, wow, wow. and the condition is amazing, even the bartape seems like it was done yesterday. Was it restored before you bought it?
    this one is pure original.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elev12k View Post
    Very nice, Wouter. Can other people rent your timemachine for a modest payment?
    We can do a one day swap on a day trip Mel. Still Some babies left in your stable I am longing to take for a spin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woutervanwijk View Post
    this one is pure original.
    Wow, sign me up for the time machine trip too then!
    Pass the Dutchie on the non-drive side.
    Rather a 100$ bike with 1000$ wheels than a 1000$ bike with 100$ wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zieleman View Post
    Amazement fills my rainy day to a simple sigh of awe for your most recent catch my friend. What I mean is: holy sh#te what a fantastic find! I got some spare time on my hands, so let's meet up for a touchy-feely greet with my hands on that rare piece of equipment you got there. Beers are on me
    Beers and talking bike bull**** is a great combo. Touching sounds kind of freaky Don, but let's meet up

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    Wouter, I literally meant a timemachine, so people could go back in time and score new Aandewiels like you did It is in amazing condition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elev12k View Post
    Wouter, I literally meant a timemachine, so people could go back in time and score new Aandewiels like you did It is in amazing condition.
    i will ask Professor Barabas
    Tijdmachine barabas 2.jpgTijdmachine barabas3.jpgTijdmachine barabas.jpg

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    Got a couple of emails from Royal Gazelle yesterday. Turns out I had got the frame number wrong. It was born in 1985.

    Thanks

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    Hi,
    I got this track bike recently. I know that LeGrand was one of the builders behind Presto and that he biult for the Raleigh team. However I did not know that he also labeld bikes with his own name. Can anyone of the experts here d tell me a little more about the frame? For example i'm puzzled about the year of produktion. thanks.










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    Hi mr. Sausage, welcome to the forums. That's magnificent bike you got there! They are very rare indeed, cause he build them for a short period. He was also a mechanic/soigneur for our famous Dutch track cyclist in this picture. Jan is on the left:image.jpg

    On facebook, some of us on the Dutch thread are members of O.T.B., an Amsterdam based cycling group of which Jan's son Michel le Grand is also a member. He is the proud owner of a road version of your bike (different colour though). I've also seen another road version on a retro ride in Haarlem, a very very nice frame with C-Record all over it and he was the one setting the pace.

    Anyways, if we fail to give you proper info, you can find his son on fb

    Edit: found a pic of that dude in Haarlem, even though it's not much of a pic...
    image.jpg It's the blueish bike in the middle, I think we were checking out something cool on my Gazelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Munich Sausage View Post
    Hi,
    I got this track bike recently. I know that LeGrand was on of the builders behind Presto and that he biult for the Raleigh team. However I did not know that he also labeld bikes with his own name. Can anyone of the experts here d tell me a little more about the frame? For example i'm puzzled about the year of produktion. thanks.

    Welcome to the forums. Best first post ever, probably great bike and really nice shots. Were did you find this bike?
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    Hey zielemann, hey Italuminium,
    thanks for the pictures and infos. I knew about michel le grad. I think he road for the panasonic team. I remember seeing a pr6000 with his nametag on it once. I don't know if i want to harass him on facebook though. I wouldn't know what to say I was just wondering because I couldn't find even a single photo of a jan le grand labled bike on the internet, that's why I ask you guys.
    It was offered on marktplaats about a year ago and I got lucky. So recently was a bit of an exaggeration. I like dutch frames in gerneral e.g. I got a Gazelle exception and Gazelle c.m. 653 RVS, both with stainless steel fork and rear triangle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Munich Sausage View Post
    Hey zielemann, hey Italuminium,
    thanks for the pictures and infos. I knew about michel le grad. I think he road for the panasonic team. I remember seeing a pr6000 with his nametag on it once. I don't know if i want to harass him on facebook though. I wouldn't know what to say I was just wondering because I couldn't find even a single photo of a jan le grand labled bike on the internet, that's why I ask you guys.
    It was offered on marktplaats about a year ago and I got lucky. So recently was a bit of an exaggeration. I like dutch frames in gerneral e.g. I got a Gazelle exception and Gazelle c.m. 653 RVS, both with stainless steel fork and rear triangle.
    I know you're new to the forums, so I'll forgive you for not including the obligated pics when mentioning such classic bikes you supposedly own

    No seriously, pics please!

    Michel will not feel herassed in any way, I feel. He's also a member of the o.t.b., so if you 'like' it, you will be in the same club. And I got the feeling he's proud of his father's legacy. Wouldn't you be?

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    Cool bike, dude! You're definitely raising the bar on this forum. Welcome to C&V, BTW. You may stay

    Clunker or not, it's gotta have gears!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Munich Sausage View Post
    Hey zielemann, hey Italuminium,
    thanks for the pictures and infos. I knew about michel le grad. I think he road for the panasonic team. I remember seeing a pr6000 with his nametag on it once. I don't know if i want to harass him on facebook though. I wouldn't know what to say I was just wondering because I couldn't find even a single photo of a jan le grand labled bike on the internet, that's why I ask you guys.
    It was offered on marktplaats about a year ago and I got lucky. So recently was a bit of an exaggeration. I like dutch frames in gerneral e.g. I got a Gazelle exception and Gazelle c.m. 653 RVS, both with stainless steel fork and rear triangle.
    You have posted a seriously cool bike thnx and I al definitly interested in seeing those other ones as well

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    Thanks for that, didn't know that LeGrand marketed his own bikes...
    and ja, welcome to the forums.

    And Somebody here in C&V land just got a new Gazelle, surprized it hastn't been added
    to this thread (hint hint).

    While I'm fishing for pictures etc. anyone got a bonteko or Pekka to show off?

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    I guess you're right, Zielemann. He can't say more than no anyway. I would be darn proud, that's for sure.
    @non-fixie: Seems like a very nice place here to talk about vintage bicycles. I'm very glad I got your permission!

    I'll post pictures of the Gazelles in time. Whereas the Exeption is a finished project the C.M. 653 needs to be restored. When that is done I would love to do some kind of before and after post.
    However I had one more dutch bicycle that I sold this summer because I needed money for an other project. A Jan Janssen frame made of Columbus Max:











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    Quote Originally Posted by lotek View Post
    Thanks for that, didn't know that LeGrand marketed his own bikes...
    and ja, welcome to the forums.

    And Somebody here in C&V land just got a new Gazelle, surprized it hastn't been added
    to this thread (hint hint).

    While I'm fishing for pictures etc. anyone got a bonteko or Pekka to show off?

    marty
    Bontekoe: I haven't gotten around to take my own pictures - this is the seller's - but here is mine. I actually spoke about this bike to one of Gerrit Bontekoe's grandsons, who is currently running the shop in The Hague with his brother.

    The frame is a Reynolds 531 Viner, identifiable by the x-shaped cutouts in the lugs. The oily bits are Shimano 600 arabesque. The saddle is now a more appropriate Rolls, but the rims are toast, so it doesn't get ridden very much.

    Clunker or not, it's gotta have gears!

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    I have a concorde sold by bontekoe, with the original shop sticker.

    BTW, Bontekoe is now my "L"BS, my apartment is pretty close to it now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Munich Sausage View Post
    A Jan Janssen frame made of Columbus Max:
    What an exceptional JJ... Hadn't seen one with Max tubing. Shame you sold it, but knowing as little as I do about your collection, the money probably went to a good cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotek View Post
    While I'm fishing for pictures etc. anyone got a Bontekoe or Peka to show off?

    marty
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    full set

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    Very nice Legrand. I know people who are willing to commit a murder to get hands on such. Cherish it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Munich Sausage View Post
    I guess you're right, Zielemann. He can't say more than no anyway. I would be darn proud, that's for sure.
    @non-fixie: Seems like a very nice place here to talk about vintage bicycles. I'm very glad I got your permission!

    I'll post pictures of the Gazelles in time. Whereas the Exeption is a finished project the C.M. 653 needs to be restored. When that is done I would love to do some kind of before and after post.
    However I had one more dutch bicycle that I sold this summer because I needed money for an other project. A Jan Janssen frame made of Columbus Max:










    Pretty bicycle.

    I just spent the last half hour going through this thread.

    So many beautiful bicycles that I know so little about.

    I obviously should pay much better attention.

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    There was one of those Janssen MAXs being sold out of Israel on Ebay earlier this year. Very little info out there, on them..I assumed they were contract pieces from Italy.

    I was going to buy it, but communication with the seller was "difficult" (possibly a language issue). Luckily I ended up with the Vittorio Strada MAX (with the help of Mel)...

    -Mark in St. Louis

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    Great stuff Mark, I bet you turn some heads in St. Louis riding that Max.

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    Hey Z… Classic bikes get very little attention from the general cycling population in the US, and definitely in St. Louis.

    It's a great ride though.

    I've been riding her lately with Spada tubular wheels shod with Vittoria Corsa CXs…under 20# now for a 58cm MAX framed bike is pretty good, in my book!

    Thanx,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zieleman View Post
    Great stuff Mark, I bet you turn some heads in St. Louis riding that Max.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buldogge View Post
    There was one of those Janssen MAXs being sold out of Israel on Ebay earlier this year. Very little info out there, on them..I assumed they were contract pieces from Italy.

    I was going to buy it, but communication with the seller was "difficult" (possibly a language issue). Luckily I ended up with the Vittorio Strada MAX (with the help of Mel)...

    -Mark in St. Louis

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    Now that's a proper racing bicycle.

    Easily one of my favorites on any forum.

    Everything works together so well and I bet it rides great.

    I bet you are proud of that one.

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