non-fixie 

A different take on the meaning of "Dutch invasion". Seems like we have a new merchant king.

snafuboy90814

So it is actually French carbon, but it was ridden by an actual Dutch PDM rider in the livery of a Dutch brand for a Dutch team… And I bought it from a Dutch shop where it has been sitting around unbuilt. So I reckon it counts!
Cable housing is still a bit long and it usually won't sport fenders or lights, but I just couldn't wait to ride it today!

non-fixie 

Nice! Do you know who the rider was?

himespau 

French? I thought concorde was dutch (working on finishing my build of a aquila in pdm livery) but the higher end racing frames were built by italians?

Italuminium

Concorde is a brand name of Veltec (or was until recently). It's the company that imports a great number of cycling brands for the dutch market (including Mavic, Selle Italia and Campagnolo, off the top of my head). They worked with many of the big Italian subcontractors, Torpado, BMZ, even Pelizotti at some point. they got quite famous because of the PDM team. In this case, Vitus was one of the early adopters of carbon tech, and French, so Veltec had to look somewhere else to get the frames. Unless this a rebranded ALAN carbonio, but I don't think that that is the case.

himespau 

Ah, I missed the word carbon in the previous post. Still a traditional looking frame, so carbon didn't cross my mind and I was thinking steel. My bad.

snafuboy90814

I wish I knew who the rider was! But sadly I've yet to figure that out…
It is a TVT frame that was rebranded, but yes all the steel Concorde team bikes were made in Italy.

non-fixie 

Ever since b dub showed his Van Herwerden here I've been on the lookout for one. But they don't come up for sale very often, and when they do, they're not cheap. At least not my kinda cheap.
So when this showed up with an asking price of €30 and a few bids of up to €45, I called, made a better offer and secured the deal.




It's a 62cm 'Criterium', made in Italy by either Zullo or Chesini for Van Herwerden. It has the weirdest mix of parts I've seen on a single bike so far:

- Campagnolo GS RD
- Suntour Mountech FD
- Weinmann nutted brake calipers
- Shimano Exage crankset and brake levers
- Nisi Toro rims on steel FB hubs
- SR Laprade seatpost
- 3ttt stem and Cinelli CdM bars (with electrician's tape)
- Simplex shifters (the ugliest I've ever seen)

Italuminium

Some real dutch thriftiness in that set up, the most random selection of parts ever! nice score.

pullup

I actually like those silly shifters

Looks like a nice bike Maarten

non-fixie 

Thanks guys. Yes, the frame is really nice, but it deserves a high-end late eighties Campagnolo or Shimano gruppo. And a good clean.

BTW, the frame carries a generic Columbus sticker. Anyone know what it could be? The Cinelli bottom bracket shell says 'SL P'. A clue, maybe?

non-fixie 

They're yours!

pullup

It will be a challenge to build a bike around those

Zieleman

Great score that vHerwerden! Cool frame details. Looks like a very steep angle on the headtube&fork, and either that's a short toptube or it's bigger than 60cm I reckon.

btw FB hubs? Never heard of those.

non-fixie 

Thanks. The 60 is the C-C measurement. Seems the Italians preferred to measure that way. It's 62 C-T. FB stands for Fratelli Brivio, and I've read somewhere they made hubs for Campagnolo as well.
I've just been Googling a bit, and I'm sure it's a Chesini-built frame. The SLP probably stands for a mixture of SL and SP tubing. Chesini often mixed their tubing. That explains the generic Columbus decal too.
I haven't been able to find an exact match with a Chesini model, so for now I'm assuming Van Herwerden had them made tot their own specifications. Especially since they sold them alongside Chesini's in their shop in those days.

Italuminium

and they sold Zullo's branded as Zullini as well, as in "little Zullo".

ultraman6970

That concorde looks neat, seen one at ebay maybe 2 years ago.

himespau 

Can I post this one here even though the only things actually dutch about it are the name on the decals and engraved in the dropout?

Decals say 88-89 PDM world cup team, so would that mean it's probably a 1990?

paulkal

Himespau, Of course you can post Concordes.
That is a nice looking Concorde. I always liked the PDM colours.

Zieleman

In that size, I'd say it more Dutch than Italian

Zieleman

Long time no see Paul, how are you? Any rides planned this year? I hear the tour of Nijmegen has a retro side-edition. They even have a prize for the 'best-dressed-retro-rider'

eddievan

some dutch bikes I used to own:




1974 Manus Brinkman Classic dutch racer RARE
made by Gazelle-it's a Champion Mondial frame and fork
Reynolds 531 tubing
ST ct 59cm
TT cc 55 cm!
Crankset:Stronglight 99+BB
pedals:Lyotard
Campagnolo Nuovo Record
-Hubs/QR
-Clamp on shifters
-front derailleur
-rear deraileur pat 1974
-headset
-seat pin
-cable clamps
Brakeset:Mafac Racer
Bars:Cinelli Mod Giro d'Italia
Stem:Mavic
Rims:Mavic Module E2 clinchers
Saddle:Brooks Professional
frame number 3178801


Manus Brinkman used to be a professional cyclist in the 50/60's
He introduced professionsal cyclo cross racing in the Netherlands.
After his career he opened up cycle shop
catering for racers esp. around Rotterdam

https://www.flickr.com/photos/4128420...7625471266976/

1968 Gazelle Race pre Champion Mondial...



link with description:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/4128420...7629189354962/

non-fixie 

Welcome to C&V, Eddie! And thanks for posting those. Very nice addition to the thread. I once did not buy a Manus Brinkman, and I still regret that decision.

eddievan

thanks..been here some 5 years but didn't post that much..
got more to come..
I think the Manus brinkmans had many disguises..but this Gazelle was the best one I could pick up.
Just loved that colour!

Woutervanwijk

Hi Eddie, thats an interesting newbie. I am really cureous what you will be showing to us! This guy really has an eye for particular rare Dutch bikes.