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    Peugeot Corbier ?

    recently rescued a 70's or 80's Peugeot Corbier. I love Raleighs, but the french bikes are starting to grow on me, even with their compatability issues.

    Has nice alloy wheels 27 X 1 1/8, but they need truing. The rest of the components are Sachs Huret, kinda bleh, but this bike has really cool geometry, the top tube feels a bit longer, and the bike fits me really well.

    I don't have a clue what range this bike was in, it's mid-weight, definitely not a tank. The tubing is Tange something , don't know if it's double butted.

    Anyone know anything about this bike? These bikes had amazing paint jobs, no decals. It was trashed but came through looking real good. Any suggestions on mods most appreciated. I'm not even gonna try to deal with the bottom bracket.

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    I have a P4 Corbier from 1987. I was not aware any Peugeot's ever used Tange steel, mine is HLE. The Corbier weighed 28 lbs and was Peugeot's bottom of the line that year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trhouse View Post
    I have a P4 Corbier from 1987. I was not aware any Peugeot's ever used Tange steel, mine is HLE. The Corbier weighed 28 lbs and was Peugeot's bottom of the line that year.
    Good assesment!!!

    We'll need pictures and location to give a more detailed information......


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    correction

    sorry, it is HLE steel. Never heard of that. Haute Limite Excellente. Extraordinaire. E'st-cool.

    I love bottom of the lines bikes. Ride them through the war zones.

    28 pounds ain't too bad, I mean it's got steel bars, seatpost etc. Wondering if yours came with 27 X 1 1/8 alloys. This may have been a C. 1987. If so, I'm amazed they still used the Huret stuff, The Huret shift levers are really spazzy design, swapping for Sun Tours. I can probably live with the derailleurs.

    How is the rear derailleur? If you swapped it for something else, what worked?

    Bear with, Sheldon Brown made me kinda paranoid about French bikes. But they are beautiful if you learn how to speak the language.

    Au Revoir,

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    It was really just a frame when I bought it. No seat, seatpost, no brake calipers, or wheelset. The photo shows it with a steel, 27" wheelset I took off another bike to test ride it. It normally comes with sidepull brakes but I only had a spare set of Peugeot labelled Weinmann's centerpulls which I put on.

    I am in the process of fitting a 700C wheelset to it ( picked up a rear 700C wheel with cassette for $5 on Craigslist on Sunday ) but the axle is slightly too long for the quick release to engage. Last night, I had to use an X-acto knife and plier to remove the rusted on endcaps on the handlebars so new handlebar tape can be applied.

    I weighed the 700C alloy rear wheel. It weighs one pound less than the steel one in the photo above. I am guessing that the weight can be reduced to 25-26 lbs with alloy wheels and lighter tires. For example, 27" Michelin World Tour tires weigh 560 grams ( 1.23 lb. ) each vs 700C Michelin Lithions at 240 grams ( 0.52 lb. ) each.

    The Sachs Huret derailleurs seem to work fine. I believe 1987 was the first model year in which the Corbier had those rainbow decals on the fork, top tube and seat tube.

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    The Corbier had rainbow decals in '86 as well as '87. Its interesting that you guys are mentioning 'alloy' wheels as it was spec'd with 27" steel wheels in both '86 and '87.
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    Hi Jim,

    The 86 only had the rainbow decal on the seat tube and was Carbolite according to this page,

    http://mysite.verizon.net/imagelib/s...le=P6%20&%20P4

    but mine looks just like this one from 87 with the rainbow in three places and is HLE,

    http://cyclespeugeot.com/images/1987...rbier_demo.jpg

    Yes. The original P4 had the standard 27" Rigida steel rims. I do have a set of those but I am busy cleaning the rims of rust and replacing the spokes. The original spokes were probably galvanized or plated steel and are a bit rusty but I prefer to use stainless Sapim, 14 gauge.

    I sometimes have more than one wheelset for a bike depending on the kind of riding I plan to do.

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    I dunno

    I dunno, maybe it was upgraded. I got this bike for free. It was pretty baked, but 15 hours later, looks awesome. It might be 25-26 lbs. with the alloys, but they are out of true. I hope I don't get into cassete swaps and 700C's because it will probably cause aggravation.

    I love the internal lug thing, real sweet and clean. I think the top tube on this bike is 24". the seat post 23". Don't quote me on this, I have ten bikes in restoration and I might be off. But when I sit on this bike, oh man does it feel nice!!! Like custom. I am 5 foot 11".

    I love the stripes and the finish. Mine is black.

    I cannot imagine what a UO-8 would look like. Again, French bikes are starting to interest me. I just sold a gorgeous Motobecane Mirage just because I couldn't figure out how to toe-clip the gorgeous Lyotard pedals, I couldn't bear to drill them.

    That bike was a bit big, though. Sheldon reported horror stories with the cassettes.

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    I dunno

    I dunno, maybe it was upgraded. I got this bike for free. It was pretty baked, but 15 hours later, looks awesome. It might be 25-26 lbs. with the alloys, but they are out of true. I hope I don't get into cassete swaps and 700C's because it will probably cause aggravation.

    I love the internal lug thing, real sweet and clean. I think the top tube on this bike is 24". the seat post 23". Don't quote me on this, I have ten bikes in restoration and I might be off. But when I sit on this bike, oh man does it feel nice!!! Like custom. I am 5 foot 11".

    I love the stripes and the finish. Mine is black.

    I cannot imagine what a UO-8 would look like. Again, French bikes are starting to interest me. I just sold a gorgeous Motobecane Mirage just because I couldn't figure out how to toe-clip the gorgeous Lyotard pedals, I couldn't bear to drill them.

    That bike was a bit big, though. Sheldon reported horror stories with the cassettes.

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    I have tried six and seven cog cassettes with 700C wheels. It can take both but the seven cog cassette sticks out so far on the right side that it causes the front derailleur cage to have to almost touch the cranks to avoid scrapping against the chain. It took some tweaking but worked fine.

    The UO8 and P4 Corbier have different geometry. The P4 has a more upright seat tube where the UO8 is more angled back. I have both.

    I thought about selling the P4 but I also like the way it fits. I recently acquired a PH501 however which weighs less than 23 lbs and it has the same type of geometry as the P4 with the more upright seat post. That geometry may have a shorter wheelbase because it feels like I can turn tighter circles with the P4 than my UO8.

    Alloy wheels were definitely an upgrade but a nice one. They brake better than the steel rims. Have you weighed the bike? It might already be 25-26 lbs. The 28 lbs catalog weight is with steel.

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    No haven't weighed it, but it feels maybe 25-26, and still has a steel seatpost and a crappy Fuji Seat. I would love to hear if anyone knows a brand of alloy seatpost to look for. I have no clue yet what the MM measurement is for that.

    It's funny because I have someone interested in it, around July 7 she returns, a college kid. But I might keep this for myself as my new midrange beater. My total combat beater is a Raleigh Record, which I adore.

    For the midrange beater purpose, I am riding a Univega Supra Sport which is an insanely fast little chinese bike, but that frame is triple butted Chromoly, and I think it's a bit bouncy/squirrely. It flies, has great components, but you have to really pay attention when you ride it, you can't "zone out" a little, ride no-hands, etc.

    I suspect I may be able to "zone out" on this Peugeot.

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    Oh wow, I just test road this again, I can't sell this bike. I am starting to fall in love with Peugeots.

    I am amazed at the fit. I think it's the slightly longer top tube. I am also amazed at how light it is with one basic upgrade.

    I put Rigida 27 X 1 1/8" alloy wheels on it, and amazingly found some Continental Super Sports in a dumpster. Essentially, this whole bike was free. The Huret derellailleur shifts fine.

    The thing that blows me away is the cornering, this bike, even though it's a base model, corners on a dime. I was doing piroutettes a few minutes ago.


    Wow. I can't imagine the higher end frames...

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    Quote Originally Posted by IknowURider View Post
    Bear with, Sheldon Brown made me kinda paranoid about French bikes. But they are beautiful if you learn how to speak the language.

    Au Revoir,

    Rob
    Sheldon Brown made me paranoid about my AVA stem and handlebars, but they're holding up so far. I can deal with the sketchy creaking sound when I ride hard. The creaking may be entirely unrelated, for all I know.

    My Peugeot is beautiful (beauty can be very subjective) but I'm pretty sure she's Anglophone Canadian.

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    I did some more reading. I am intrigued by this HLE tubing. I don't know if it's all marketing hype on Peugeots' part, but they call it "alloy". It said in their catalog the frame had all sorts of cool magnesium, titanium etc. mixed in, blah blah blah.

    But the thing corners and handles so well I am shocked. I just put Rigida 27 X 1 1/8" wheels with sealed bearings on it, got those free. WOW. I was doing little spinny pirouettes on it in the back street, like 8 foot circles, whoosh, whoosh. I LOVE the frame geometry!!!

    Keep in mind my daily beater is a Raleigh Record, a total tank by comparison, but still loveable. I am keeping a look out for a PX-10 now..

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    The geometry of the P4 may not be that of the higher end bikes. I have a 1985 PH501 midrange Peugeot and it has a different head tube angle than the P4. Here are a few photos showing the different geometries of Peugeots that I own. The green one is an early 70's UO8, the P4 is white, the PH501 is black. Notice that the UO8 and P4 have a similar head tube angle but the higher end PH501 has a noticeably different angle. The PH501 has a similar seat tube angle to the P4.
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    that post was awesome. I now thnk mine is a PH501. At first I thought it was a P-4, from the fuzzy wuzzy original catalog. It is identical to the black one, It does have some alloy on it.

    The UO8 is cool looking. I know it's a base model, but now I can see why it has gotten the nod.

    I just love the slightly longer more forward position. Even the old steel bars are awesome, they're nice and wide.

    This Corbier corners so amazingly with 1 1/8" rims . I am still in the phase of: ride it around town to break it back in, then take it up in the mountains for a hard core run.

    I put Lyotards on it, which I love, I just hate the fact that you have to drill through the reflectors to clip them.

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    The Corbier (also known as the P4) is made of HLE steel weighs in at 28 lbs from the factory.

    http://cyclespeugeot.com/images/1987...rbier_demo.jpg

    The PH501 (also known as the Ventoux) is mostly Reynolds 501 chrome-moly steel and weighs in at less than 23 lbs.

    http://mysite.verizon.net/imagelib/s...GN%20&%20PH501

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    Quote Originally Posted by trhouse View Post
    The Corbier (also known as the P4) is made of HLE steel weighs in at 28 lbs from the factory.

    http://cyclespeugeot.com/images/1987...rbier_demo.jpg

    The PH501 (also known as the Ventoux) is mostly Reynolds 501 chrome-moly steel and weighs in at less than 23 lbs.

    http://mysite.verizon.net/imagelib/s...GN%20&%20PH501
    Oh sorry I spaced out, you are correct. I think The P4 I have might be around 25 lbs. maybe 26, as it has decent wheels now. I don't really care about the weight anyway. I should be installing toe clips on it right now... I love Lyotard pedals, but I guess you have to drill through the reflectors to install the clips. I hate that!!!! I drool at the 501, awesome...

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    Here are a few photos of three different Peugeuts. The PGN10 is black, the UO8 is green, the P4 is white.
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    Peugeot's are interesting. I have a 84 P8 I have owned since 87. Really torn as what to do with it. I was thinking about making a fixie out of it as The Heliocomatic is bent and wobbles when you coast. The wheels are true though and polished up wonderful. I may have to find a good hub and lace the rims to it.

    I haven't ordered the tool to take the mess appart to see if it can be fixed. Something is also bent in the crank assembly. Hopefully it is just the peddles and not the BB or crank arms. The BB seemed fine when I took it apart and relubed it.

    Despite its problems its still a fun bike to ride.


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