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    Calling all vintage road bike experts!!!

    I have two diamonds in the rough here and the guys in Road told me to crosspost here so here ya go:

    I recently was given two 80's roadbikes by a very nice couple who has been riding for over 25 years. They just told my wife and I to come and get them and they are in reasonable shape. I need road bike experts opinions as I am a mountainbiker all the way and know not much about pavement cycles. What I do know is that the mens bike is decked out with Profile bars and all Campagnolo parts right down to the toe clips, hubs and chain. Looks like Early Carbon Record Equipment but I am not sure. Both of these frames are lugged steel and extremely lightweight. The red one is made for a woman and actually has a 26 inch tire on the rear and a 24 inch on the front - I guess it was custom built for the woman who rode it. It has a mix of Campy, Shimano, and salsa parts on it. I want to know a few things:

    1. What kind of bike is the red one? (notice the logo on the frame)
    2. Are they worth anything? (I doubt they are worth that much)
    3. The men's one is far too big for me to even touch the ground with my feet so what should I do with it? (besides give it away)
    4. Any other bits of info you guys may have.

    Here is the link to my photobucket with the pictures. http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y18.../Road%20Bikes/I very much appreciate the help because I could not get much info from the people who gave them to us other than "they are good bikes" The yellow one looks like it might have been top of the line for its time...
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    I pasted your link in a browser window and the page isnt found

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    I tried the link, it just came up with "not available"
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    I believe some of the link is missing. where it says "y18../Road"
    The .. indicates something missing.

    Record is top of the line Campagnolo FYI
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    i jam my thumbs up and back into the tubes. this way i can point my fingers straight out in front to split the wind and attain an even more aero profile, and the usual fixed gear - zen - connectedness feeling through the drivetrain is multiplied ten fold because my thumbs become one with the tubing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danbob View Post
    2. Are they worth anything? (I doubt they are worth that much)
    Can't see pics, if they are record as you say, they may be worth something, but useless w/o pics
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    3. The men's one is far too big for me to even touch the ground with my feet so what should I do with it? (besides give it away)
    A properly fitting bike you should never be able to touch the ground with your feet, so may not necessarily be wrong size.
    Quote Originally Posted by cc700 View Post
    i jam my thumbs up and back into the tubes. this way i can point my fingers straight out in front to split the wind and attain an even more aero profile, and the usual fixed gear - zen - connectedness feeling through the drivetrain is multiplied ten fold because my thumbs become one with the tubing.
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    I fixed the link! Pics work! I am very excited to show these to you all!

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    Wow. That is an amazing gift. You are a lucky man.

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    Delta brakes - Yummy

    C-Record crank, FD

    The 8s brifters came out in '94(?), so that may help date some of the components

    In any case, as rhm said, quite a gift. Get out the oxalic acid and start a'soakin'
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhm View Post
    Wow. That is an amazing gift. You are a lucky man.
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    Clean them up, and ride the hell out of them
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    i jam my thumbs up and back into the tubes. this way i can point my fingers straight out in front to split the wind and attain an even more aero profile, and the usual fixed gear - zen - connectedness feeling through the drivetrain is multiplied ten fold because my thumbs become one with the tubing.
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    But what do I do???? The yellow one does not fit me! They are beautiful arent they? Anyone willing to venture a guess for how much they are worth? I was thinking of converting them to fixed gear bikes but when I saw what the quality of parts was on them, I decided to keep them all original except for maybe some new bar tape. I just want as much info about these and insight into them as you guys can give me.

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    From the same thread over in Roadieville:

    Quote Originally Posted by Landgolier View Post
    Dude, you pulling our chains here? Those are two very, very nice bikes. The red one is an early Terry, which was a pioneering women-specific brand. The smaller front wheel allows a small frame to have proper geometry, though some people find them squirrelly. It probably wasn't actually custom built, but there aren't that many of these out there. Terry is still around, you could email them and they could tell you about how old it is.

    The yellow Milano I don't know as much about, but it's loaded with very nice parts, including campy delta brakes, which are kind of a collectors item, and a vintage white selle rolls saddle, which some hipster would pay a bundle for. I'm hesitant to shout out a value without more pics and knowing much about Milano (which is impossible to google as it's the name of a bike model by Bianchi), but that's probably at least $1000 worth of bikes right there, and maybe more to the right buyer. For what these would bring if you sold them, I would ask the people that gave them to you first. Also, if you stand over the yellow one, how much clearance do you have from the top tube to your crotch? If you have an inch, it may still fit you, sitting on the seat of a road bike you're going to be on your tiptoes (if that) trying to touch the ground.
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    The Milano may be made by the Masi family. See this link for history of Masi and Milano.
    http://www.ebykr.com/?p=28
    Quote Originally Posted by Landgolier View Post
    Yeah, the yellow bike appears to have oversized tubing and internal lugs, that's a Milano by Masi. Nice catch!

    OP, the yellow bike is much nicer than I thought -- Masi is one of the most prestigious builders out there.
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    Looks to be a C-Record rear hub on the Terry too. You will totally ruin your karma if you turn these into fixies.
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    +1 to all the above: the Milano (3V by Masi) is totally cool and worth more than the also cool Terry, but both these bikes have been neglected, shamefully. It's worth all the elbow grease and acid it will take to treat that rust and corrosion, but it will be some work, are you game? If not, you could part them out (also a job of work) and sell them piecemeal, but I don't recommend that...and you'd be doing a good portion of the restoration job without actually restoring anything: just selling rusty corroded parts and frames. Otherwise, if you just want to flip them, in this exact condition and in my overpriced market I bet you'd get about $500 for the Milano and maybe $300 for the Terry (YRMV), and have to find buyers not afraid of dirt. My advice: I'd keep them both if they fit me and a SO.
    OK, maybe I low-balled it a bit, but look at that rust on the Milano, and that corroded AL fork (replacement?) even the rivets on the Regal saddle are going green, and it's attacked the frame in several critical spots...really needs a careful going-over. The Terry is not quite as bad, but these folks left 2 brilliant bikes out in the rain for way too long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by balindamood View Post
    I need better friends.
    On that subject... a friend (let's call him John) of a friend (let's call him Jim) disappeared a dozen years ago. He simply abandoned all his stuff and left. Landlord put his stuff on the street. Jim came and took it, stored it away for several years. One day John came back, and Jim gave him his stuff back. Okay, that's what's good about having good friends.

    But three years ago, John disappeared again. Landlord put his stuff back on the street. Jim came and took it again. But John has yet to reappear, and Jim cannot store it all any more; has to dispose of the stuff, preferably in such a way that if John does come back again. But what to do with the Counterpoint Presto?

    Fortunately, Jim has a friend who's into bikes. That would be me. Looks like I will be taking care of a classic 'bent for a while. It's good to have good friends!

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    Those were really nice bikes when they were new. I can't believe that people who have been riding for 25 years would leave these bikes outside, but I guess some people just treat anything over 10 years old as 'used up' and to be left out behind the shed.

    Do either of the bikes fit you? If not, the easiest thing to do is sell them complete, if your friends don't mind you doing that. Second option - part them out. The drawback of this is that if you are not careful (or just unlucky) you could end up doing some damage trying to remove parts like stuck stems and seat posts.

    If the yellow one is a 58cm frame, I'm interested in a winter project .

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    Looks like maybe ... lifetime guaranteed Phil Wood sealed hubs on Old Yeller ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by unworthy1 View Post
    +1 to all the above: the Milano (3V by Masi) is totally cool and worth more than the also cool Terry, but both these bikes have been neglected, shamefully. It's worth all the elbow grease and acid it will take to treat that rust and corrosion, but it will be some work, are you game? If not, you could part them out (also a job of work) and sell them piecemeal, but I don't recommend that...and you'd be doing a good portion of the restoration job without actually restoring anything: just selling rusty corroded parts and frames. Otherwise, if you just want to flip them, in this exact condition and in my overpriced market I bet you'd get about $500 for the Milano and maybe $300 for the Terry (YRMV), and have to find buyers not afraid of dirt. My advice: I'd keep them both if they fit me and a SO.
    OK, maybe I low-balled it a bit, but look at that rust on the Milano, and that corroded AL fork (replacement?) even the rivets on the Regal saddle are going green, and it's attacked the frame in several critical spots...really needs a careful going-over. The Terry is not quite as bad, but these folks left 2 brilliant bikes out in the rain for way too long.
    I agree with your estimates. Note the corrosion on the crank means it will have to be stripped and polished. That kind of corrosion will drop the value drastically, the finish it ruined on most of the steel hardware pieces, again that is going to cut the value of the individual components in half if not more. This is/was beautiful stuff and the mechanical condition may be fine but people by this stuff for it's looks and this stuff is trashed. It's a shame people do that, it's definitely still valuable and you can still get a good chunk of change. If this stuff was in uncorroded condition the $1000 estimate (for the bike parted out so add your labour) wouldn't be out of line. Given the condition $500 is realistic.
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    Thanks guys. Now I need to know what I need to do to bring the yellow bike back to good condition. I am very handy and modified bikes when I was younger and cars for the past 8 years. What kind of rust removal are we talking and do I have to strip all of the parts of the frame? Ideally I would like to not have to take anything off, fix the frame, rewrap the bars, and get new tires. The red bike is actually fine except for the bar tape and tires. I rode it and it rides beautifully. No real rust on the frame - just more scratches. I see what you're all saying about the yellow bike needing somme major help. So tell me what to do and I will do it. These are too good to be neglected any longer. As for the person who was interested in making the yellow guy a project, I will check out the frame size right now and post it for anyone interested. If someone PM's me and is interested then i will make a post in the for sale section you can respond there or message me.
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    From the top of the seat tube to mid bottom bracket I have measured 62-63 cm. Again, PM me. Clearly it is too big for me. I can't even get crotch clearence over the top tube so I have to get rid of it no matter what :-( I suppose I could trade frames and have all the parts put on a smaller frame...
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    If they were my projects, I'd strip off everything and spray the interiors with FrameSaver. Then hit all the exterior rust with phosphoric acid and then touch up paint. All the parts with rust would soak in acid bath (sounds scarier than it is) and the alloy would be buffed with simichrome or something like.
    It's a labor of love, but worth it IMHO. Not something you can make a profit by, however, unless you work for $2/hr.
    That rear hub looks fatter than a Phil (but pics are deceiving) maybe a White Bros. or somebody like that?
    Good hub whatever brand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danbob View Post
    From the top of the seat tube to mid bottom bracket I have measured 62-63 cm. Again, PM me. Clearly it is too big for me. I can't even get crotch clearence over the top tube so I have to get rid of it no matter what :-( I suppose I could trade frames and have all the parts put on a smaller frame...
    That's really too bad about it not fitting. You could always go ahead and restore it and then resell it, but learning bike retoration on a Campy equiped bike is not the usual route. I think removing all the parts from the frame is required here, and touching up the rusty areas on the frame with touch up paint is needed ASAP. The corroded aluminum parts should be polished, the rusty fasteners need the rust removed and either buffed up, or replaced. New chain, brake and shift cables and housing are needed. Then there is cleaning and rebuilding all the bearings, where some special tools are required.
    It's not obvious to most people, but neglected bikes typically need specialized care to get back onto the road without doing more damage to them. Yes, a quick wash and spray with some lube will get them moving, but the longevity of the bike and all it's moving parts does require special treatment.

    How far is it from the top tube to the ground? How long is the top tube (from the center of the head tube to the center of the seat tube)? If it goes for sale, yes follow the rules and post in the for sale section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unworthy1 View Post
    If they were my projects, I'd strip off everything and spray the interiors with FrameSaver. Then hit all the exterior rust with phosphoric acid and then touch up paint. All the parts with rust would soak in acid bath (sounds scarier than it is) and the alloy would be buffed with simichrome or something like.
    It's a labor of love, but worth it IMHO. Not something you can make a profit by, however, unless you work for $2/hr.
    That rear hub looks fatter than a Phil (but pics are deceiving) maybe a White Bros. or somebody like that?
    Good hub whatever brand.
    Rear Hub is a White Industries and I am gonna sell this bike unfortunately. I talked to a few more people and it's just not worth it to restore since it does not fit me at all. I am going to link this post up in the for sale sections so people can get the info they need.

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    Okay. I did not realize I had to pay to use the FS section so the bike is now in the Westchester/ New York City Craigslist with a link to this thread for anyone who wants it. Please someone give this awesome bike a home. I am so sad to give it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danbob View Post
    Rear Hub is a White Industries and I am gonna sell this bike unfortunately. I talked to a few more people and it's just not worth it to restore since it does not fit me at all. I am going to link this post up in the for sale sections so people can get the info they need.
    The head tube looked like it might be a 25.5" frame ...

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    In inches, it measured exactly that :-)

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