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Old 10-07-08, 06:54 PM   #1
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Bottecchia / Cinnelli, cash or trash???

Hi guys!

Yes, I just got me another vintage bike because I had to pick it up. Guess that once you start, you just keep collecting them Anyways, I would like you experts to go over my latest find, a Bottecchia Team bike with Cinnelli BB and Columbus dropouts. Please post all your findings, opinions or other information you have about it,(year, quality etc) as I'm very curious to find out. And finally, would you consider it worth to fix it up (and invest some cash) or better use it as a spare parts bike.

Here's the link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/3093892...7607838135001/

Thanks!

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Old 10-07-08, 07:01 PM   #2
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Gorgeous bike. Way worth fixing.
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Old 10-07-08, 07:01 PM   #3
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That's an extremely nice and high end bike.
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Wow. I think all you may need to do is put a saddle on it and go.
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Looks like a great find and in pretty good shape.

Does it have a sister that needs a home?
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Wow. I think all you may need to do is put a saddle on it and go.
Yes, it does indeed need a new saddle, a front derailleur, new chain and freewheel but then it will ride like the wind, I hope...
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It's trash. Send it to me and I'll dispose of it.
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It's trash. Send it to me and I'll dispose of it.
You're too kind

Actually I just gave it a spin, put on a saddle and drove, and oh my god it really did feel like the wind... This one is definitely a keeper. Would like some info on it though, anybody know some more about the background of this model? Thanks!
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Oooooh. Aaaaaah.

Very nice.
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Equipped with the best functioning campagnolo group of the period, Campagnolo Chorus, with the exception of at least the front hub (older record with a pre-1978 skewer oddly enough). The group isn't outrageously valuable, but most everything except C-record and the consumables (BBs and Headsets always seem to sell well) are not worth much on the ol' bay these days. A lovely late 1980s machine, i would be proud to own and ride it semi-regularly.
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Equipped with the best functioning campagnolo group of the period, Campagnolo Chorus, with the exception of at least the front hub (older record with a pre-1978 skewer oddly enough). The group isn't outrageously valuable, but most everything except C-record and the consumables (BBs and Headsets always seem to sell well) are not worth much on the ol' bay these days. A lovely late 1980s machine, i would be proud to own and ride it semi-regularly.
Thanks for the info! I'm kinda doubting what to do here, because I have a different unidentified (with Colnago decals) bike, equipped with the SR set (except for an NR crank), retrofriction shifters (way more comfortable than the Campagnolo's) and very nice mavic rims. The thing is that this bike only needs the fork of the bottecchia. I guess I will try them both and see which I like more to determine where to put the best parts since I haven't found another fork yet.

(Front and rear hubs on the Bottecchia are Super Record btw)
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(Front and rear hubs on the Bottecchia are Super Record btw)
They are record, there is no super record hub unless it has a titanium axle which I do not believe is possible with the metalurgy of the time, they would snap.

I would leave the Bottechia as it and put the retrofrictions on it, if they suit you better but the campy friction of that period was reported to be as good as retro friction, though I do not have enough saddle time with the campy to give my own opinion.
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Immediately when I read the post I thought you got the matt black/chrome SR one. That one was located in Roosendaal, approx 200km from my place.

This one looks neat too. Congrats!
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They are record, there is no super record hub unless it has a titanium axle which I do not believe is possible with the metalurgy of the time, they would snap.

I would leave the Bottechia as it and put the retrofrictions on it, if they suit you better but the campy friction of that period was reported to be as good as retro friction, though I do not have enough saddle time with the campy to give my own opinion.
Yes sorry, they are indeed a Record hubs. Do you know btw what the difference is between the ones with a "straight" close and the ones with the "curved" close?
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Immediately when I read the post I thought you got the matt black/chrome SR one. That one was located in Roosendaal, approx 200km from my place.

This one looks neat too. Congrats!
Yep, that's correct Thanks!
I'm also quite happy with this one because I can also use the fork for the other one.
Still have to see which one is the better ride though...

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That is really a nice bike
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Yep, that's correct Thanks!
I'm also quite happy with this one because I can also use the fork for the other one.
Still have to see which one is the better ride though...

What?! You got the other Bottecchia too?

Please show it than!
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I think NagaOka means he wants to swap the Bottecchia fork onto the "fake" Colnago...and I would NOT do it. Keep this one intact, it's not worth breaking it up to complete the fake Colnago, you can get another chrome fork for that one. This bike is actually probably every bit the match of the Col-fake-o, if not the better.
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Yes sorry, they are indeed a Record hubs. Do you know btw what the difference is between the ones with a "straight" close and the ones with the "curved" close?
The straight skewers date to before 1978 and the curved ones are from 1978 onwards. The change was mandated by the CPSC, but I imagne no one complained since racers were bending their own skewers for safety reasons prior to that date. The mechanic i work with is from Hungary and I menioned this to him, his eyes lit up as he recalled hammering his skewers to a curve, something he probably hadn't thought about in a long time. When I told him about my resoration he recalled waiting in line with his first pair of racing rims at the LBS, a set of Fiamme Yellow label tubulars.
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The decals show the 1986 World Championship victory but not the 1989, so the frame should be 1987-1989. However, the bicycles from this period typically have panelized paint schemes and and chromed head lugs, so I'm thinking it may be a possible repaint.

I've got a near identical, very early 1990s frame. It's nicely manufactured and real eye candy, but I prefer the handling characteristics of my Marinoni.
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I think NagaOka means he wants to swap the Bottecchia fork onto the "fake" Colnago...and I would NOT do it. Keep this one intact, it's not worth breaking it up to complete the fake Colnago, you can get another chrome fork for that one. This bike is actually probably every bit the match of the Col-fake-o, if not the better.
Yes you're right. I actually checked the chrome fork btw for a serial number, but it's completely clean. There's no number there. On the part of leaving the Boittecchia intact, I was already contemplating that as it needs less work than the other one. Will continue looking for a fork though...
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You're too kind

Actually I just gave it a spin, put on a saddle and drove, and oh my god it really did feel like the wind... This one is definitely a keeper. Would like some info on it though, anybody know some more about the background of this model? Thanks!
So you knew all along that this is a great bike and you just wanted to tease us with it.
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So you knew all along that this is a great bike and you just wanted to tease us with it.
Be kind, no wife or girl friend to pat him on the back, so he posts here.
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nice as is
lose the black TTT & get a nice cinelli satin finish stem, a good saddle helps...
make sure the drivetrain is proper
... ride it every day... sweet
that machine will outlive you...
(don;t screw with the shifters - if you must have index, try to find the Campy Syncros from the era - they work great).
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So you knew all along that this is a great bike and you just wanted to tease us with it.
Just a little No, honestly I wasn't sure because I read on Sheldon Brown that Bottecchia bikes are not regarded as very good quality wise. When I saw it though, it seemed pretty good to me but since I'm no expert I wanted to get some opinions on this one. But considering the majority of good reactions, I guess it's a pretty nice find.
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