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    Peugeot more fun, figure out the year :)

    Ok so I bought this White Peugeot locally today for $150. Always loved the white. Some parts are changed but the key thing that looks interesting is the gold light/metal tube script which is a crown rather than the strip worded detail I've seen on most U08's or PA10's. What do you think?

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    Oh and I took it out today and forget about there's metal here and cotters there, rigida's (love em). This bike road beautifully, the frame was road forgiving, the feel was just well wonderful. What a nice
    old bike just like I remembered it was. "A mother beautiful bike"

    Another thing I love about this bike, the crank chrome or metal that it is has a huge drop off from large diameter to small diameter crank. Very nice for hill climbing.
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    It has the "Tube Special" decal, that indicates it's made out of the Peugeot proprietary tubing. That most likely makes it a UO8. It's post-1971, pre-1976.
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    So it's and earlier model. They went to the strip gold logo later 1977 and on? Someone put Suntours front and rear on it which are great systems, not original though. Pedals are funky also and the seat. I found the pedals, the seat I prefer the Terry Fly, the thing that's on there is a Bell tub of mush.
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    Flip it upside down and post the number stamped into the bottom of the frame, between the cranks.
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    1435882, flash blots out pictures at night. I looked for serial number info at first but didn't see any.

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    That would make it a 1971.
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    The seller thought it was a 1980 something, these Peugeot's can be tuff to figure. Thx
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    Very cool!

    I was telling a co-worker (who once owned a Motobecane) about my Peugeot, and he thought all Peugeots were painted white, like yours. IIRC, either retropeugeot or cyclespeugeot says that white was very popular because it emulated a bike the racing team used.
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    It has a bent frame. Look at the downtube just aft of the headtube. I don't think they sold white Peugeots in the U.S. because they were the same color as the team used. Very few people here knew anything about European bicycle racing in those days. I think they bought white because they thought it looked nice. That's why I bought mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exit. View Post
    It has the "Tube Special" decal, that indicates it's made out of the Peugeot proprietary tubing. That most likely makes it a UO8. It's post-1971, pre-1976.
    Quote Originally Posted by cigartrader View Post
    1435882, flash blots out pictures at night. I looked for serial number info at first but didn't see any.
    Quote Originally Posted by Exit. View Post
    That would make it a 1971.
    Prior to 1979 you CAN NOT use the first digit trick to date ANY Peugeot bike. Someone needs to tell the CR people to blow up their PX10 page.

    'Tube Special' decals go back to the early 60's, possibly into the 50's.



    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtdrop View Post
    It has a bent frame. Look at the downtube just aft of the headtube. I don't think they sold white Peugeots in the U.S. because they were the same color as the team used. Very few people here knew anything about European bicycle racing in those days. I think they bought white because they thought it looked nice. That's why I bought mine.
    +1 on the frame. She took a good hit.

    Whites listed in the N.A. distributor brochures.

    The bike is question is a late 60's model. Odds are their some type of date code somewhere..
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    60s I'm from the sixties. I can't find any numbers that would help. What places should I look at? Frame is ok I took a T-square to it.

    How about upside down.
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    Straight up, both sides. Sorry, well not sorry.
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    This insert thing in the seat tube is that stock?
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    Yes, its stock.

    date code info: http://cyclespeugeot.com/SerialNumbers.html scroll down
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    1) I concur regarding the downtube damage. The bike has been run into a wall or a parked car and then re-straightened. You can ride it for awhile, but eventually that downtube will rupture on you. (Been there ... done that with a Reynolds 531 frame ).

    2) I vote for late 1960s, based on the graphics. The early 1970s Peugeots had the more familiar black-and-gold banding on the downtube. The "Peugeot" font on the seat tube is the old style from the 1950s and 1960s.

    3) They did in fact import numerous white Peugeots of all quality and price levels. When I worked at a Peugeot/Nishiki dealership in the early 1970s, most customers wanted a white UO-8 or U0-18 mixte. For the PA-10, PR-10, and PX-10, we stocked and sold white bikes exclusively.
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    Are these original issue brake pads? If so could be this bike didn't get much use, pretty good for a 40 year old bike find.
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    It could be as late as a 1970 UO-8. Notice the gears. 26 tooth largest rear sprocket with 52/36 chain rings up front. The last year the UO-8 had this gearing was 1970. 1971 models had a 28 tooth largest rear sprocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cigartrader View Post
    Are these original issue brake pads? If so could be this bike didn't get much use, pretty good for a 40 year old bike find.
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    They are the original type (can't be sure if they are the originals!). They probably are hard as a rock and won't work very well. And watch out with those Rigida rims in the rain!

    As others have said, based on the triangular Peugeot shield, the style of the tube special decal, and (if I can add) the type of brazed on cable guides (single piece of metal - in 1971/72 they went to a braze on that captured the cable about 3mm from the guide itself) I'd guess that this is no later than a 1970 UO-8. Not sure but I don't think the big pie plate was on the mid-60's bikes so no earlier than say 1967-68?

    Anyone else notice the large sprocket is "unusual" in its shape compared to others - no doubt it is original but its the first one of that style I've seen.

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    I first saw the inverted triangle headbadge shield on bikes with an actual riveted metal headbadge around 1963 to 66 and soon changed to a decal/sticker for a few years in the later 60s. But earlier downtube graphics had different font style - with lower case letters and no gold stripes, so I would guess maybe 1969 to 1970-ish.

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    Let it be known that this thread rules.

    To clean that bike up and have it as a trophy down in the "workshop" is worth it alone. It is secretly known that to hang a vintage Peugeot in your home will bring you good luck.

    Given the state of our economy, we need all the vintage Peugeot's we can get. Rideable or not.

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    After having this one it makes me want to try a PX10, I'll be hawking craigs list for one. I need brake pads fast, do you owners just slide out the old, if so what and where are you getting the replacements?

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    Kool stop makes replacement pads that will work, but are too short for the holders because they're actually made to fit Campagnolo.



    You can also replace the shoes with Kool Stop Eagle Claws as I did on one of my Peugeots.

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    Kool stop ok, I was hoping to keep the chrome holders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cigartrader View Post
    Ok so I bought this White Peugeot locally today for $150. Always loved the white. Some parts are changed but the key thing that looks interesting is the gold light/metal tube script which is a crown rather than the strip worded detail I've seen on most U08's or PA10's. What do you think?

    http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/peugeot1.jpg
    http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/peugeot2.jpg
    http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/peugeot3.jpg
    http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/peugeot4.jpg
    http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/peugeot5.jpg
    http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/peugeot6.jpg

    Oh and I took it out today and forget about there's metal here and cotters there, rigida's (love em). This bike road beautifully, the frame was road forgiving, the feel was just well wonderful. What a nice
    old bike just like I remembered it was. "A mother beautiful bike"

    Another thing I love about this bike, the crank chrome or metal that it is has a huge drop off from large diameter to small diameter crank. Very nice for hill climbing.
    I think it might be newer than 1971, but still '70s. I think the '71s, at least for true UO-8s, had Simplex Prestige derailleurs front and rear. The rear you have looks to be a Suntour V or something related, so I expect you have superbe rear shifting. It was a period part. The chainset looks original and excellent. I also think this is a UO-8 and not another straight-steel model because of the step-winged head lugs.

    If you love the Rigida steel rims, you must be the only cyclist surviving who does!! Heavy, not too good braking even with those big Mafac jaws, and hard to keep true. But nice and shiny, true classics and a great pair of examples. Keep them straight and true, don't ride over any curbs. Repack the bearings, get the races a fresh coat of grease. It dries up, and the races, really the hub body, may wear out.

    That downtube is IMO a problem. 531 db frames (when collided) tend to crease where there is a stress point, which is where the butt ends, so usually closer to the shifters. Any steel can crease where there is a stress point, in this case where the lug ends, illustrating that heating can weaken tubes, that section changes (end of the lug) contain stress concentration, and mainly that this bike is weakened. The metal at that point has been bent analogously to a paper clip you are on your way to breaking, and has lost its elasticity. If you're gonna ride it, road vibration will drive it toward fatigue failure - guess a few 10s of thousands little flex cycles, rather than an available lifetime of 100s of millions before being creased. Sadly it won't be be worth your $150 or the repair cost to have the tube replaced. Get another frame, and watch out if you continue to ride this one!! Be careful with the cottered BB when you swap the parts over.

    Edit: My guesstimate about year is based on the headbadge, which seems newish, but I think the other guys here have better arguments. But then the Suntours are absolutely not original. Still, you have a great bunch of parts there.

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    You probably also have some collectible parts there, that can get you started on your PX-10 fund!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Road Fan View Post
    I think it might be newer than 1971, but still '70s.

    Edit: My guesstimate about year is based on the headbadge, which seems newish, but I think the other guys here have better arguments. But then the Suntours are absolutely not original. Still, you have a great bunch o fparts there.Road Fan
    Pre '70 based on the headbadge. Inverted triangle headbadges, seatube decals, and tubing identifier decal are all indicative of a 60's bike.

    Because the frame is toast, as Road Fan mentions, part it out and hope to recoup your $150.
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    It shouldn't be hard to find another one with a good frame that you can transfer your parts to. Sixties frames are are hard to find, but there's no shortage of seventies frames out there.

    Sorry, but I don't think there's $150 worth of parts there. The Mafac brakes are nice, but you can still find them new in the box for $60. I don't sell a lot of parts, so maybe I'm wrong.

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