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Old 10-07-08, 08:34 PM   #1
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The 'How the heck do I pronounce that?' thread.

Has this already been done? I did a search and realized that apparently I've been pronouncing campagnolo wrong all this time (Camp-egg-nolo? Cam-pan-nyolo?) so I thought it would be nice to have a thread dedicated to pronouncing all the impossible italian, french, japanese, or any other non-english (and even some english) names. Care to help me?

I also speak some Japanese, so if you have a question about a Japanese word I can help.

UPDATE: Here's the list with as close as I can determine...

Bottecchia: Bo-TEK-ee-ah
Bianchi: Bee-AHN-key
Campagnolo: Cam-pan-nyo-lo
Cinelli: Ch-nelli
Ciöcc: is pronounced somewhat like 'church' (Cho-ch)
C + soft vowel = ch sound
ö = umlaut gives the o kind of an r sound
cc = ch sound
Gios: Gee-ose
Gipiemme: Gee-pee-EM-ay
Guerciotti: Gwer-chee-OH-ty (thanks Sheldon!)
Peugeot: Puh-zhoh (There is a whole thread dedicated to it here.)
Pinarello: Pee-nah-rello
Pogliaghi: Pole-YAH-ghee
Puch: Between Pook and Pooch as far as I can determine...
San (3) Rensho: Sahn-Ren-Show (San meaning 3 in Japanese)
Sekine: Seh-key-nay
Sugino: Sue-Gee-No (The U in Su is NOT silent on this one)
Suteki: Sue-tey-key (Japanese tend to make u's silent, so it is closer to STEH-key)

Mp3 of an Italian speaking many Italian brand names. Worth the listen: Here!

Thanks for the help everyone!

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Old 10-07-08, 08:40 PM   #2
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It's a pretty solid rule of thumb that anything Italian with "cc" in is pronounced as a hard "ch", as in "chilly".
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It's a pretty solid rule of thumb that anything Italian with "cc" in is pronounced as a hard "ch", as in "chilly".
Except when they're followed by an h that precedes a soft vowel, which makes the c's sound like a k. Bottecchia = Bo-TEK-ee-ah. Same is true with h following a g that precedes a soft vowel. The ghi in Poliaghi is pronouned 'ghee' instead of 'gee' because of the presence of that h. Then there's gli which introduces sort of a y sound into the mix. It's tough for me to express phonetically, but for Pogliaghi it's something along the lines of Pole-YAH-ghee. Guerciotti is pronounced much as you see it at sheldonbrown.com:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/vrbn-g-n.html#guerciotti
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Old 10-07-08, 08:56 PM   #4
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The hard thing about these kinds of threads is that people say somethings sounds like some English word, but people in different parts of the usa, or canada, or heaven forbid England, pronounce that example English word totally differently!

Having said that, I'll try my best to give clear examples for any of the Japanese names anyone has questions about.
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...I'll try my best to give clear examples for any of the Japanese names anyone has questions about.

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Except when they're followed by an h that precedes a soft vowel, which makes the c's sound like a k. Bottecchia = Bo-TEK-ee-ah. Same is true with h following a g that precedes a soft vowel. The ghi in Poliaghi is pronouned 'ghee' instead of 'gee' because of the presence of that h. Then there's gli which introduces sort of a y sound into the mix. It's tough for me to express phonetically, but for Pogliaghi it's something along the lines of Pole-YAH-ghee.
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After a year in Rome for school I can make a really good garden red sauce and pronounce the names of Columbus-tubed cycles. Are there any legendary Polish or Czech builders? Now *that* would be fun.
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Has this already been done? I did a search and realized that apparently I've been pronouncing campagnolo wrong all this time
You are spelling it incorrectly, as well.

Campagnola is correct. Pronounced cam-pa-nyo-la. Accent 'yo.'

Normally referred to as "Campy."
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Pagliachi=pa-li-ya-chi.
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A few years ago there was an mp3 online of an English speaking Italian pronouncing a lot of the common Italian bicylcle marques and parts makers names.

I just checked google for the link but it's now dead. Perhaps it's been moved or saved by somebody?

It would be worth hosting a sticky here if it could be found.
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You are spelling it incorrectly, as well.

Campagnola is correct. Pronounced cam-pa-nyo-la. Accent 'yo.'

Normally referred to as "Campy."
You must be an ebay seller! O is correct.
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Pagliachi=pa-li-ya-chi.
Are you talking about Pagliacci, the opera?
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Seh-keen-ey.
Soo-tek-ee.
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Are you talking about Pagliacci, the opera?
Yeah, two c's. My typo. I was thinking more about Pagliacci Pizza on U way in the U district in Seattle.

No, I don't do eBay. 'Just seems I remember an 'a' on the end. No big.

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I do have the file that Otis mentions. It does not deal with Guerciotti. Who wants to host it? Maybe we could put it on VeloBase?
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Americans have enough trouble with English . . . let alone a foreign tongue.
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Seh-keen-ey.
Soo-tek-ee.
Those sound authentic to me. Though technically, the consonant goes with its following vowel (example: sue-teh-key).

One thing to remember also is that most Japanese words don't get accented the way Americans want to do. Americans usually want to stress the second syllable of each word, but in Japanese it's more flat with each syllable being about the same.
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Seh-keen-ey.
Soo-tek-ee.
That is how I would pronounce them.
But BF member mrlassister says:"suteki (the "u" is silent STAYkee or STEHkee) means "wonderful" in Japanese..."
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That is how I would pronounce them.
But BF member mrlassister says:"suteki (the "u" is silent STAYkee or STEHkee) means "wonderful" in Japanese..."
Yeah, the Japanese under-enunciate U's a lot, so he's at least half way right. It's not a silent "u", it's just very under-emphasized.
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sort of "cho-cha" with a long O.
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I was riding the other day, someone saw my bike and say "Oh, yeah, I worked at a bike shop and we sold a lot of those 'Bought a CHI a's'" as in "bought a chia pet."

I checked it out on the Internet when I got home, and confirmed that it is pronounced "Bo-TEK-ee-ah." He had me wondering for a while, though.
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