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    The 'How the heck do I pronounce that?' thread.

    Has this already been done? I did a search and realized that apparently I've been pronouncing campagnolo wrong all this time (Camp-egg-nolo? Cam-pan-nyolo?) so I thought it would be nice to have a thread dedicated to pronouncing all the impossible italian, french, japanese, or any other non-english (and even some english) names. Care to help me?

    I also speak some Japanese, so if you have a question about a Japanese word I can help.

    UPDATE: Here's the list with as close as I can determine...

    Bottecchia: Bo-TEK-ee-ah
    Bianchi: Bee-AHN-key
    Campagnolo: Cam-pan-nyo-lo
    Cinelli: Ch-nelli
    Ciöcc: is pronounced somewhat like 'church' (Cho-ch)
    C + soft vowel = ch sound
    ö = umlaut gives the o kind of an r sound
    cc = ch sound
    Gios: Gee-ose
    Gipiemme: Gee-pee-EM-ay
    Guerciotti: Gwer-chee-OH-ty (thanks Sheldon!)
    Peugeot: Puh-zhoh (There is a whole thread dedicated to it here.)
    Pinarello: Pee-nah-rello
    Pogliaghi: Pole-YAH-ghee
    Puch: Between Pook and Pooch as far as I can determine...
    San (3) Rensho: Sahn-Ren-Show (San meaning 3 in Japanese)
    Sekine: Seh-key-nay
    Sugino: Sue-Gee-No (The U in Su is NOT silent on this one)
    Suteki: Sue-tey-key (Japanese tend to make u's silent, so it is closer to STEH-key)

    Mp3 of an Italian speaking many Italian brand names. Worth the listen: Here!

    Thanks for the help everyone!
    Last edited by swif; 10-08-08 at 08:05 PM.

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    It's a pretty solid rule of thumb that anything Italian with "cc" in is pronounced as a hard "ch", as in "chilly".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exit. View Post
    It's a pretty solid rule of thumb that anything Italian with "cc" in is pronounced as a hard "ch", as in "chilly".
    Except when they're followed by an h that precedes a soft vowel, which makes the c's sound like a k. Bottecchia = Bo-TEK-ee-ah. Same is true with h following a g that precedes a soft vowel. The ghi in Poliaghi is pronouned 'ghee' instead of 'gee' because of the presence of that h. Then there's gli which introduces sort of a y sound into the mix. It's tough for me to express phonetically, but for Pogliaghi it's something along the lines of Pole-YAH-ghee. Guerciotti is pronounced much as you see it at sheldonbrown.com:

    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/vrbn-g-n.html#guerciotti
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    The hard thing about these kinds of threads is that people say somethings sounds like some English word, but people in different parts of the usa, or canada, or heaven forbid England, pronounce that example English word totally differently!

    Having said that, I'll try my best to give clear examples for any of the Japanese names anyone has questions about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacificaslim View Post
    ...I'll try my best to give clear examples for any of the Japanese names anyone has questions about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gridplan View Post
    Except when they're followed by an h that precedes a soft vowel, which makes the c's sound like a k. Bottecchia = Bo-TEK-ee-ah. Same is true with h following a g that precedes a soft vowel. The ghi in Poliaghi is pronouned 'ghee' instead of 'gee' because of the presence of that h. Then there's gli which introduces sort of a y sound into the mix. It's tough for me to express phonetically, but for Pogliaghi it's something along the lines of Pole-YAH-ghee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swif View Post
    Has this already been done? I did a search and realized that apparently I've been pronouncing campagnolo wrong all this time
    You are spelling it incorrectly, as well.

    Campagnola is correct. Pronounced cam-pa-nyo-la. Accent 'yo.'

    Normally referred to as "Campy."

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    Pagliachi=pa-li-ya-chi.

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    A few years ago there was an mp3 online of an English speaking Italian pronouncing a lot of the common Italian bicylcle marques and parts makers names.

    I just checked google for the link but it's now dead. Perhaps it's been moved or saved by somebody?

    It would be worth hosting a sticky here if it could be found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kellyjdrummer View Post
    You are spelling it incorrectly, as well.

    Campagnola is correct. Pronounced cam-pa-nyo-la. Accent 'yo.'

    Normally referred to as "Campy."
    You must be an ebay seller! O is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kellyjdrummer View Post
    Pagliachi=pa-li-ya-chi.
    Are you talking about Pagliacci, the opera?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otis View Post
    You must be an ebay seller! O is correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cb400bill View Post
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    Seh-keen-ey.
    Soo-tek-ee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gridplan View Post
    Are you talking about Pagliacci, the opera?
    Yeah, two c's. My typo. I was thinking more about Pagliacci Pizza on U way in the U district in Seattle.

    No, I don't do eBay. 'Just seems I remember an 'a' on the end. No big.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otis View Post
    You must be an ebay seller! O is correct.


    I do have the file that Otis mentions. It does not deal with Guerciotti. Who wants to host it? Maybe we could put it on VeloBase?
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    Americans have enough trouble with English . . . let alone a foreign tongue.

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    Pootch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryle View Post
    Puch?
    Rhymes with book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exit. View Post
    Seh-keen-ey.
    Soo-tek-ee.
    Those sound authentic to me. Though technically, the consonant goes with its following vowel (example: sue-teh-key).

    One thing to remember also is that most Japanese words don't get accented the way Americans want to do. Americans usually want to stress the second syllable of each word, but in Japanese it's more flat with each syllable being about the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exit. View Post
    Seh-keen-ey.
    Soo-tek-ee.
    That is how I would pronounce them.
    But BF member mrlassister says:"suteki (the "u" is silent STAYkee or STEHkee) means "wonderful" in Japanese..."
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    Ciocc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cb400bill View Post
    That is how I would pronounce them.
    But BF member mrlassister says:"suteki (the "u" is silent STAYkee or STEHkee) means "wonderful" in Japanese..."
    Yeah, the Japanese under-enunciate U's a lot, so he's at least half way right. It's not a silent "u", it's just very under-emphasized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BengeBoy View Post
    Ciocc?

    sort of "cho-cha" with a long O.

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    I was riding the other day, someone saw my bike and say "Oh, yeah, I worked at a bike shop and we sold a lot of those 'Bought a CHI a's'" as in "bought a chia pet."

    I checked it out on the Internet when I got home, and confirmed that it is pronounced "Bo-TEK-ee-ah." He had me wondering for a while, though.
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