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Old 10-09-08, 11:13 AM   #1
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advice on quality Japanese road bike

I've got my old Italian Campagnolo bike. I love it and ride it a lot, but, alas, have also caught the vintage bike bug, so now it is time to look for a long term project.

I've always admired the Suntour Superbe Pro group, but know next to nothing about Japanese frames.
What would be an appropriate road frame of that era to hang the Superbe group on? Something fast and lively, tight geometry, but made in size 64cm and up.

Many thanks for any comments, Jan

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A Lotus might be very nice...
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http://www.sheldonbrown.com/japan.html

Miyata, Univega, Nishiki, Centurian all have lots of devoted followers around here.
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Zunow......Or a 3 Rensho.
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Fuji's are best to hang Suntour Superbe components on

Jan,

Fuji's are ideal candidates for Suntour Superbe equipment. Agreeing also with those who suggested 3 Rensho, and Miyata, and Nishiki. I would argue however that the classic Fuji roadbikes were incredible advocates and sometimes co-developers of the Suntour Brand. Suntour made two errors that led to their downfall; underpricing and too many variants in the components. If you can find a Fuji Professional frame that would be ideal, failing that a Newest of classic finest Frame. Today Fuji takes credit for introducing the first Dura-ace equipped bicycle, indeed it is true. The fuji "ace" in candy apple red was the firts full Dura-Ace bike first introduced, but it was an act of coercion on the part of Shimano, and most of the Fuji staff were pretty put off by the lack of finesse of the firts generation Dura-ace equipment (though it was of solid and well-engineered construction). Not sure what generation Superbe equipment you have, the firts generation derailleur was essentially a modified Cyclone unit. What a sweet, light, rapidly responding unit that is! It used to be Campagnolo, Suntour, and Shimano; now its Campagnolo/Shimano and Sram right on their heels -- but for those of us who could have what ever we wanted, it was Suntour -- in the worst race conditions they never failed. Those were however more prejudiced days, and if you rode Suntour in significant races you might be pushed or spat upon -- it was worth it!
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Hopefully, you already have your Suntour Superbe Pro items. I've been watching a few brake auctions and prices seem to go pretty high. You all may already know this, but in case you're interested - Here's a few recent examples:

http://cgi.ebay.com/BRAND-NEW-SUNTOU...d=p3286.c0.m14

$100 Levers
http://cgi.ebay.com/Suntour-Superbe-...d=p3286.c0.m14

Brake hoods:
http://cgi.ebay.com/SUNTOUR-SUPERBE-...d=p3286.c0.m14

In the good luck category:
http://cgi.ebay.com/SunTour-Superbe-...d=p3286.c0.m14

I've opted for the regular suntour superbe line, which is more in my budget these days.
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go zunow, rensho, maybe a nice old bridgestone rb-1
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Zunow......Or a 3 Rensho.
Excellent recommendations. But the former is hard to find and the latter when found is often expensive.
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SR Maxima, although admittedly this is the first one I've seen in person. Tange Champion, and minus these heavy pedals is under 23 pounds. This is a 61, so maybe they came larger. It's stiff, rides nicely
and has pretty quick handling as well. I've got 600 on it now, but if I had a Superbe group it would be on this bike. Suntour sprint cartridge style hubs with araya rims. As nice to look at as it is to ride.,,,,BD

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