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Old 10-17-08, 08:38 PM   #1
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marinoni special ? not sure

hey - maybe you guys can help me out here. scored a 'marinoni special' the other day. all shimano 600 /
105 components. tubular NISI moncalieri rims. ambriosio bars. leather turbo seat

it has none of the fancy marinoni extras on the frame, and the serial # is M4K 55164 which doesn't look
like a marinoni serial number to me. does anyone recognize the M4K ? it kind of looks like it had previous
decals that started with the letters VIO, but i could be wrong.

thanks !!

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Old 10-17-08, 11:38 PM   #2
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Well, it doesn't look like any Marinoni I've ever seen. Fork and lugwork looks incorrect, no "Marinoni", "M" or Fleur-de-Lis or maple leaf cutouts anywhere to be seen (as far as I can tell from the photos anyway). Decal placement also looks suspicious ("Special" decal should be on non-driveside chainstay, not the top tube), and typically Marinoni serial numbers are just a set of of either four or five numerical digits, the first being the year.
Maybe I'm missing something?
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Old 10-17-08, 11:51 PM   #3
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yup, that's right - no fancy lugwork or M on the bottom bracket shell. anything else i could look for / take a picture of to help identify?
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Old 10-18-08, 09:42 AM   #4
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Whats the seatpost diameter? Dropouts?
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Old 10-18-08, 11:21 AM   #5
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Hrm, that 600 stuff is from 1985 or so, maybe it is a repaint? For the record, my 1987 Marinoni Special had all the "M" cut-outs and had Campy drops/fork-ends.
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Old 10-18-08, 01:14 PM   #6
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seat post is a kalloy 26.6

here are a few more pics





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Old 10-18-08, 01:35 PM   #7
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Check out this on on CL looks nice to me...


http://cgi.ebay.com/Marinoni-Road-Bi...d=p3286.c0.m14
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Old 10-18-08, 01:38 PM   #8
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Is this the one that was for sale on kijiji or craigslist Montreal?
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indeed it was !
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am I mistaken or is that a beautiful bike?
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the bike rides beautifully - super stable and stiff, pretty light too.

trying to find out the make if it's not a marinoni - anybody recognize the serial #?

M4K 55164
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Certainly not a Marinoni by the seatpost size and english BB, marinoni used italian threaded BBs till the mid 90s or so. I doubt its columbus tubing.. hopefully someone can clue in on what it is, I have no idea!
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Where is the SN located? Also, if it was faked, it looks to have been done a few years ago, given how the decals have cracked a bit already. Is it possible this is a mid-range Marinoni they sourced out from Japan or someplace?
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It's definitely not a Marinoni built frames. All his frames used Itlain threading, unitl circa 1991/1992. I am aware of Marinoni having subcontracted some frames, such as ATBs. However, these frames had two serials numbers, both the original and Marinoni's own. This serial number format is typical of a 1984 Jpanese or Taiwanese frame.

That post is too small for a butted SL frame, but is just about correct for many Japanese tubesets. If it's really an SL frame, the cinch slot at the back would be pinched by almost 2mm. If it's not noticeably pinched, that would indicate a Japanese butted set or a plain gauge Columbus set such as Aelle.

Remove the front wheel and check in the bottom of the steerer for the helical ridges. If they're not there, it's not Columbus or a lower grade Columbus set, such as Aelle.

Given the serial number, Aelle would seem unlikely and it is more likely a Japanese tubeset.
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Back when I got my first Marinoni bikes back in the 70's and early 80's, he would be more than happy to paint other bikes up with Marinoni decals. This may be just such a case. I agree with all those who have previously stated that it is most definitely not a Montreal built Marinoni bike. Nor for that matter is it a Italian Vianello-built frame. However, since you like the bike and its ride, who cares? What more do you want?
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thanks again for the info everyone!

doesn't appear to be pinched, and i can't find the 'helical ridges'.. looks like it's japanese? the SN is located on the BB shell.

upon removing the front wheel, I did notice something on the fork dropouts "tange tf"

I agree with hhabca that the marinoni decals must have been put on it some time ago. the entire bike looked like it hadn't moved in 15 years.






been riding around on these old tubulars that came on it. is this a sign that they're about to burst ?


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If you insist upon risking life and limb with those tires then I believe I've discovered the manufacturer of your bike......Kamikaze!
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Ive heard of Marinoni willing to slap their decals on anything.. though recently I know someone whom sent their windsor proffessional in for a repaint and he asked them to slap some decals on it afterwords and they refused.. and the guys a marinoni dealer, imagine that!
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i think i've figured it out: 1985 velo sport prestige

that would account for the '85 shimano 600 stuff and the frame is a dead ringer for this one, including the little thing sticking out on the lower derailleur side seat-stay

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Back when I got my first Marinoni bikes back in the 70's and early 80's, he would be more than happy to paint other bikes up with Marinoni decals. This may be just such a case. I agree with all those who have previously stated that it is most definitely not a Montreal built Marinoni bike. Nor for that matter is it a Italian Vianello-built frame. However, since you like the bike and its ride, who cares? What more do you want?
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Ive heard of Marinoni willing to slap their decals on anything.. though recently I know someone whom sent their windsor proffessional in for a repaint and he asked them to slap some decals on it afterwords and they refused.. and the guys a marinoni dealer, imagine that!
I don't think that this is even a Marinoni repaint. The OP states there is evidence of original decals. I seriously doubt that Marinoni would repainted over decals. The frame would have been prepped by stripping it down to the bare metal. I know that the two repaints he did for me were done that way.

Marinoni was a bit more accommodating in his early days. Back then he would repaint anything. These days, he repaints only his own frames, unless you have a long standing relationship with him, and even then he uses the Columbus "repaint" decals.
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Old 10-20-08, 08:48 AM   #21
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yup, not a marinoni job sadly. now that i know the brand i can totally make out VELO SPORT on the down tube, and i've matched "Prestige" to evidence of another decal on the top tube.

so what to do now? the bike looks great and people are all like "ohh nice bike" but i don't want to be explaining how it's not a marinoni all the time.. loose the decals? keep the decals, make it into a fixy and get looks of disdain from the spandex set?

thanks again for the help everyone
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Assuming it is a 1984 Velo Sport Prestige, then the frame is Tange Mangalloy, the front fork is a replacement and it has been upgraded to SIS and tubulars.
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does anyone know much about those NISI rims? i wouldn't mind getting some new tubular tires for them if they're decent. they certainly feel good - and true
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