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richpool 04-08-14 07:51 AM

Have:
1992 Schwinn Paramount PDG Series 7 58cm
pretty darn good condition some scratches nothing major. Non original bars shifters and crankset. It is full shimano 600 though.
http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/...s06200c48.jpeghttp://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/...sa5ba53b9.jpeg

I want to trade for another bike or frame from around 1985-92 with a similar value and rarity. Preferably cannondale but im open to all offers 56-58cm

noglider 04-08-14 08:57 AM

richpool, that bike can't possibly be a 58cm frame.

brockd15 04-08-14 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 16652253)
richpool, that bike can't possibly be a 58cm frame.

I'm betting it's 650c, with a longer head tube and making it look bigger than a 58

seely 04-08-14 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by brockd15 (Post 16652341)
I'm betting it's 650c, with a longer head tube and making it look bigger than a 58

Yup, check out that gap between the seat tube and rear wheel. On my PDG with 700c wheels, the rear wheel just about rubbed the seat tube.

richpool 04-08-14 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 16652253)
richpool, that bike can't possibly be a 58cm frame.

Yeah sorry it is a 650c forgot to mention that.

tommyblair22 04-08-14 05:10 PM

Looking to no avail for months for a mavic cosmic rear wheel with campy 8. Anyone have any leads?

RobbieTunes 04-08-14 09:51 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 16652253)
richpool, that bike can't possibly be a 58cm frame.

It is a 58cm frame, and brockd15, etc are correct; it's 650c. The OS Series 7 came in 650c with the amoeba-splash paint scheme (which is awesome in person) and in 700c in blue.

The 650c's original crankset was 56/42, which, on paper, was supposed to be similar to 53/39 running 700c. In practice, it was close, until you fell off the pace; then you had to climb about 4 cogs to get back up to speed. Climbing was easy, and handling magnificent. Plus, with that chainring, once you got to pace, it was pretty easy to hold it.

This is a 56cm version, RobbieTuned:
http://i.imgur.com/SKEpgSv.jpg

noglider 04-08-14 09:54 PM

And what's the point of the 26" wheels for a normal size man?

RobbieTunes 04-08-14 09:56 PM


Originally Posted by Ex Pres (Post 16651823)
Probably too thick, plus a ring on this cartridge bracket would look a little odd. I think I'll just go with the modified English spacer solution. Already have those. And I received the UG spacers; maybe I'll get to try them out soon. Yesterday was spent on the beginnings of flood remediation. My sump pump failed during Sunday night's storm (:

Sorry to hear that. Most homeowner policies don't cover ground water/flood, but many DO cover damages due to sump pump failure, and most carriers broadly interpret this to mean "failure, overcome, inadequate, or just not working" because any doubt would go to the homeowner. These often have a lower limit, $5000 or $10000, but compared to $0, it's something.

RobbieTunes 04-08-14 10:03 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 16654548)
And what's the point of the 26" wheels for a normal size man?

Going simply by the Schwinn catalog:
1-weight
2-aero
3-climbing due to gear inches
4-handling

Going by my experience:
1-weight is a wash: less wheel, more frame and chainring, sorta.
2-aero? me? hah hah.
3-climbing-yes. Drop the chain to the 42 and up to the 26, with those 650c wheels, you can climb. As offered by OP, very good climber (39t front).
4-handling-yes. Amazingly nimble and precise. As I have 2 650c tri-bikes and 1 700/650c TT bike, they turn on a dime.
5-Great tires are harder to come by, but they're out there, rarely on sale.
6-Great rims (C&V) are harder to come by, but they're generally cheaper, especially Mavic Ksyriums.

I'd love to have mine back.
It was 9-sp 105 and Tange OS (the fork, per the Tange rep at NAHBS, was Tange Prestige)
It gave up nothing to my '87 Waterford-built Paramount with SLX and 9-sp DA.

If you want a very unique paint job, a nice Tange OS frame, and the potential to have a great-handling climber, the OP's bike is the one. With "normal" 53/39 chainrings and 650c, you can toss on a 12-28 rear and climb all day. You'll do your share of spinning, though, with a 650c wheel and 53t front ring. It still works for lots of triathletes, though.

pamaguahiker 04-09-14 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 16654568)
Going simply by the Schwinn catalog:
1-weight
2-aero
3-climbing due to gear inches
4-handling

Going by my experience:
1-weight is a wash: less wheel, more frame and chainring, sorta.
2-aero? me? hah hah.
3-climbing-yes. Drop the chain to the 42 and up to the 26, with those 650c wheels, you can climb. As offered by OP, very good climber (39t front).
4-handling-yes. Amazingly nimble and precise. As I have 2 650c tri-bikes and 1 700/650c TT bike, they turn on a dime.
5-Great tires are harder to come by, but they're out there, rarely on sale.
6-Great rims (C&V) are harder to come by, but they're generally cheaper, especially Mavic Ksyriums.

I'd love to have mine back.
It was 9-sp 105 and Tange OS (the fork, per the Tange rep at NAHBS, was Tange Prestige)
It gave up nothing to my '87 Waterford-built Paramount with SLX and 9-sp DA.

If you want a very unique paint job, a nice Tange OS frame, and the potential to have a great-handling climber, the OP's bike is the one. With "normal" 53/39 chainrings and 650c, you can toss on a 12-28 rear and climb all day. You'll do your share of spinning, though, with a 650c wheel and 53t front ring. It still works for lots of triathletes, though.

Excellent assessment Robbie!

noglider 04-09-14 07:58 AM

Yeah, thanks, Robbie. Makes sense, and it's enough info for me to decide not to bother with such expense for that type of advantage. I might, however, end up with a high performance bike with 20" wheels. One day.

richpool 04-09-14 12:48 PM

Thanks Robbie, that was a great write up. I havent really been on it much, I purchased it for the collection but have since decided I would like to look at something new that is more practical to ride.

seedsbelize 04-09-14 03:00 PM

That bike is high on my list, and it's the right size. I have a 92 Paramount to trade, but alas, it is in México and is a 62cm. Will continue to dream.

RobbieTunes 04-09-14 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by tommyblair22 (Post 16653815)
Looking to no avail for months for a mavic cosmic rear wheel with campy 8. Anyone have any leads?

No, but a LOT of Mavic wheels used the same freehub carrier design. If you find one with a Shimano 8/9/10 rear, you can either buy the Wheels Mfg spacers for $60 and use 8-sp Shimano cogs, or try to just find a Campy 8-sp freehub and swap it in. I've done this several times, and have a spare Shimano 8/9/10 freehub if you get to that point.

Never give up.

RobbieTunes 04-09-14 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by richpool (Post 16656259)
Thanks Robbie, that was a great write up. I havent really been on it much, I purchased it for the collection but have since decided I would like to look at something new that is more practical to ride.

If it was 56cm, I'd be pestering you, with a tricolor group in my pipeline already.

daf1009 04-09-14 08:40 PM

In search of...a 26.2 mm seat post...have several potential trades...

GordoTrek 04-10-14 07:40 AM

ISO Raleigh DL-1 rod brake handlebars in decent shape and fenders too.. really want to get started on this dl-1 i have languishing in my basement :) i don't have much.. willing to pay outright for them.. PM me thanks

jdefran 04-10-14 07:44 AM

Have:
2x8 Shimano 600 (Tri color) STI's

Need:
3x8 Shimano STI's

edsall78 04-10-14 03:32 PM

ISO: 700c Wheelset--ideally mid 80's and japanese (ukai, araya, wolbers)

I have front wheel (ukai, shimano 600EX)..

but it's surprisingly difficult finding a rear wheel only for a decent price.

HAVE:

A bunch of random stuff--i've listed it elsewhere on this thread but there is more.

I'm in NYC/Brooklyn..i'd prefer to deal locally.

SimplySycles1 04-11-14 02:27 PM

In search of Low Trail Trek, full 531. 24" or 60cm, rough cosmetics but needs to be clean threads and straight. I posted in the "frame trade game" thread. best way to reach me wooba.flores@gmail.com

shoota 04-13-14 02:18 PM

ISO: Continental 4 Season tire. I have one but would like another to match it.

Have a few things I could trade, let's talk.

jeirvine 04-13-14 04:40 PM

ISO: 172.5 cranks. Campy, 70s/80s Japanese, French even.
I have several sets of nicer 170 and 175 cranks that I could trade. Whatcha got?

RobbieTunes 04-14-14 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by jeirvine (Post 16667546)
ISO: 172.5 cranks. Campy, 70s/80s Japanese, French even.
I have several sets of nicer 170 and 175 cranks that I could trade. Whatcha got?

Tricolor.

RobbieTunes 04-14-14 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by shoota (Post 16667158)
ISO: Continental 4 Season tire. I have one but would like another to match it.

Have a few things I could trade, let's talk.

Just buy 6 Ultra Sports, and the tire life of those 6 vs. 1 GP 4-Season would be about the same...just sayin...
...I may actually have a 4-season in my monster's closet. I'll check.


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