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Old 11-27-08, 07:24 PM   #1
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Phil's Tenacious Oil in a SA Hub, a bad idea?

I wanna put some oil in the Sturmy Archer 3 Speed Hub on my Raleigh Sports.....

Is Phils Tenacious Oil too thick? Or would it be ok to use?
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Old 11-27-08, 07:39 PM   #2
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I'm curious about what kind of oil to put in an SA hub as well.
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Sheldon Brown used Phil oil in his 3 speed hubs. I use whatever is in my oil can, typically something in a 20-30wt range. I used 20wt ND(non detergent) for years because it was what I had sitting around and it was required in some other piece of equipment that I had. The key is to use oil. Heavier weights are going to make the hub sticky and in cold climates cause some problems with the internal stuff moving. These are not high speed, high temp hubs, so as along as you have some lubrication they are happy.

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I use 3 in 1 brand. It's non detergent and the spout on my old can fits the SA oil hole perfectly.
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Sheldon Brown used Phil oil in his 3 speed hubs. I use whatever is in my oil can, typically something in a 20-30wt range. I used 20wt ND(non detergent) for years because it was what I had sitting around and it was required in some other piece of equipment that I had. The key is to use oil. Heavier weights are going to make the hub sticky and in cold climates cause some problems with the internal stuff moving. These are not high speed, high temp hubs, so as along as you have some lubrication they are happy.

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+1 To whatever happens to be in my oil can. It's mostly 30wt leftovers from filling up the lawnmower crankcase.
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Old 11-28-08, 09:40 AM   #6
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Specification was 20 SAE non-detergent, but the hubs are not fussy about it.
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I use S/A oil what else?
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I use Phil's or 3in1 - whichever I can find first (I have a messy workspace)
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thanks all! i went with te Phil's since it was what i had and seems to be ok to use.

thanks again for the advice!
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I use auto tranny fluid, which is about 20w. Pretty thin and lots of detergent to keep everything clean.
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3 in 1 also makes a electric motor bearing oil that's the correct 20 wt. that's in a blue and white can. That's what I use and so far it's worked perfect.
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3 in 1 (introduced in 1894) actually predates hub gearing (commercially successful by 1898) and was originally intended for bicycle chains: it 1) cleaned 2) lubricated 3) acted as a rust preventative; ergo, 3 in 1.

3 in 1 has an organic component that breaks down over time. Used externally on a chain this is not a problem (in fact even after 114 years it still works pretty good!) but enclosed in an IGH 3 in 1 will eventually gum up the works. Probably more American Sturmeys have been rendered inoperable by a build up of aging 3 in 1 than for any other reason.

Phil is considered to be too thick by some of the Sturmey intelligentsia (white paper). Most recommend lightweight motor oil or automatic transmission fluid.

Current production Sturmey Archer hubs no longer have oilers (the little oil ports on the hub shells) and are lubricated with Sturmey Archer SA103A, a light-amber colored synthetic grease.

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Old 11-29-08, 09:43 PM   #13
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I use S/A oil what else?
If you've got a current source for Sturmey cycle oil, please share.

I'm told that sewing machine oil is a good replacement.

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I use 10-30 semi synthetic.
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