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    Nice catch on the 750, Chris!

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    agreed - there's good karma when it's a fair price and it works out like that.
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_Miami View Post
    Thanks again! @thinktubes - no, the rack has a circular logo that I haven't looked at closely, I'm not sure who made it.
    I'm not going to bet you that I'm right, but I recall that Blackburn used a weird shaped circular logo. I also know that Blackburn supplied most of the racks for bike manufactures back in the 80's. My Schwinn came from the factory with a Blackburn rack, but my rack does not have any logo's on it, but the Schwinn Catalog listed it as a Blackburn. Your rack looks identical to mine, therefore I'm sort of confident it's a Blackburn.

    Do not use this rack for heavy touring though, it was designed to handle about 25 pounds if I recall correctly. There are a better racks these days on the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leftthread View Post
    Nice catch on the 750, Chris!
    Thanks, I'm done for the year

    Quote Originally Posted by rekmeyata View Post
    I'm not going to bet you that I'm right, but I recall that Blackburn used a weird shaped circular logo. I also know that Blackburn supplied most of the racks for bike manufactures back in the 80's. My Schwinn came from the factory with a Blackburn rack, but my rack does not have any logo's on it, but the Schwinn Catalog listed it as a Blackburn. Your rack looks identical to mine, therefore I'm sort of confident it's a Blackburn.

    Do not use this rack for heavy touring though, it was designed to handle about 25 pounds if I recall correctly. There are a better racks these days on the market.
    Thanks for the reminder, I had to go take a closer look:


    I've heard of Bor Yueh, but this is the first one I've owned. Seems comparable to a Blackburn, nice welds, but light-duty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fettsvenska View Post
    Not as nice as others in this thread but it only cost me $85...

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    Great looking Fuji, and if that's a Belt or Fujita saddle, I bet you'll love it!

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    I just received a Raleigh Sprint three speed, a true garage queen, bought and I do not think ever ridden, even once. In classic coffee brown metallic metal flake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_Miami View Post
    Thanks, I'm done for the year



    Thanks for the reminder, I had to go take a closer look:


    I've heard of Bor Yueh, but this is the first one I've owned. Seems comparable to a Blackburn, nice welds, but light-duty.
    Thanks for the pics, obviously not a blackburn. I took another look at your rack and compared it to mine it looks exactly like my Blackburn right down to the reflector even, except mine has no branding markings whatsoever. As far as I know Trek never put that brand on their bikes, besides I think it's a Vietnam company according to what I found in the internet and the name kind of implies that; back when your bike was being made few if anything was being imported from Vietnam. So probably the original owner bought the rack sometime afterwards. The Vietnam company probably copied the Blackburn rack detail for detail, or perhaps their contracted to make them for Blackburn and then made some for themselves, maybe that's why mine doesn't have a brand marking? Japanese copied quite a bit when they were trying to rebuild their economy after the war. But not being an expert on various rack brands I could be entirely wrong on the whole matter.
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    Found this old Colnago Super in a dried up reservoir today. Looks to be really beat up. Thinking of doing a restore. What do you guys think?photo 1.jpgphoto 4.jpgphoto 3.jpg

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    I would definitely recommend a thorough bead blasting, and then give it a VERY close inspection! It may have rusted though in a few spots and be unsafe to ride. The bead blast will remove much of the rust scale, and any pinholes will mean it's a goner most likely. If it spent time under water, the rust inside the tubes could be worse than the outside. Proceed with caution!,,,,BD
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    But wow, if it can be brought back,
    you'll have a Colnago Super, and one hell of a story!
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    Rust appears cosmetic. I am looking into possibly the acid bath. All the steel seems solid, though pitted a bit. The bike was never under water. It was prob outside for about a year through 4 seasons. All bearings still turn without much resistance. It also had most original components as well. Missing where just wheels, petals and seat. It seems these frames carry a bit of cred though so might be worth a bit of sweat labor to bring it back!

    If you guys/gals know or could reccomend the best approach to strip all the rust and seal it (inside the frame and out) tell me! Thanks so much.

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    tyjaman - I really hope you fix that one up and take lots of pictures. I would love to see what it looks like when complete. Crazy story too. Crazy

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    Catch of the year methinks...




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    A friend of mine is a pre-eminent collector of Moultons and he decided to retire this one. He is a master mechanic and expert class builder in every respect so all I need to do is swap the stem and bars and fit a proper Brooks saddle... I believe he had adapted this Moulton for his son to ride, hence the shortened cockpit.

    I think that GB stem and rando bars I have sitting in my shop will look wonderful.

    Generator hub on custom built wheels...



    Shimano Inter7 hub... and new dual pivot brakes.



    And for the money... the frame has been powder coated and know all the important bits have been expertly serviced.



    You know I am going to build a custom and swappable rack for this that will accommodate panniers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
    Catch of the year methinks...



    Oh, lordy! That looks like a bikeworks tag. How many seconds did that last in the shop before you scooped it up? Or did it go directly to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuckamoreDew View Post
    Oh, lordy! That looks like a bikeworks tag. How many seconds did that last in the shop before you scooped it up? Or did it go directly to you?
    I just happened to pop in this afternoon, recognized the bicycle right off, and then had to argue about paying more than what the tag said.

    Think that I will get the bars swapped tomorrow and take it back to what is was when I first test rode it and so it is a good fit... this was one of the bicycles that inspired me to build up my P20.

    Should serve as great about town bicycle as well as a capable light touring bicycle... and an awesome loaner for select people.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
    I just happened to pop in this afternoon, recognized the bicycle right off, and then had to argue about paying more than what the tag said.
    Congrats on great timing. Please tell me that wasn't at the North shop or I might cry a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuckamoreDew View Post
    Congrats on great timing. Please tell me that wasn't at the North shop or I might cry a little.
    You can cry a little.

    But now I have an extra Moulton that needs to be built up... if you know anyone who is interested.



    Just swapped the upright bars for my GB stem and rando bars... makes the bike look and fit right.

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    The seller I purchaced this from pulled it from the trash on trash day. The only thing wrong with it is a rear wheel that needs trued and a good cleaning. It is a Diamond Back Master TG. I don't know how these relate to the Centurion line up, but it is all 105 with True Temper steel.

    The delima is weather to clean it up and sell it (too small for me) or shift the parts to a better frame. I just don't think the Diamond Back name would command what it is worth.


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    i like that bike - looks a 63cm-ish range?
    you must be big fella
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    Quote Originally Posted by KOBE View Post
    The seller I purchaced this from pulled it from the trash on trash day. The only thing wrong with it is a rear wheel that needs trued and a good cleaning. It is a Diamond Back Master TG. I don't know how these relate to the Centurion line up, but it is all 105 with True Temper steel.

    The delima is weather to clean it up and sell it (too small for me) or shift the parts to a better frame. I just don't think the Diamond Back name would command what it is worth.

    Great find. I say strip it and harvest the parts.

    Strip the decals right off if you can, polish up the frame nicely with scratch-X, take a good photo, and sell it on CL as a frameset. List it as a "nice lugged quality steel frame in Xcm with downtube shifter bosses. Great project frame for taller rider or convert to single speed" I bet you'll get a bunch of calls.

    Don't mention the names Diamondback or True-temper. They are not the droids buyers are looking for. You could probably get $50-75 for the frameset if you lived in or near a decent market once spring hits. Maybe even more. Who knows. It'd go fast in Chicago for upwards of $100. I'd rebuild the headset, chase/face the BB so it looked pristine, and push the fact this good-quality lugged vintage frame with down-tube shifter bosses is ready to build and professionally prepped. Many folks hear lugged, & down-tube bosses and immediately they are impressed that it must be a somewhat higher-end vintage frame. They aren't all that far off.

    Keep the rest of the parts for another build or sell piecemeal as well. If the wheelset is cleaned up, trued, rebuilt bearings you might get a decent price for them too. The groupset might sell together or a la carte. It depends on if you want to sell them or how much time and effort you want to spend on individual sales.

    Good find. But not a flipper whole IMHO. If you want to flip the whole bike at least pull the decals off. The Diamond Back name will to be your friend here for resale value.
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    Looking better in the light of day... just need to run cables and sort out the shifter, will be ordering a jtek bar end shifter for the IGH and have a few months to git er done.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KOBE View Post
    The seller I purchaced this from pulled it from the trash on trash day. The only thing wrong with it is a rear wheel that needs trued and a good cleaning. It is a Diamond Back Master TG. I don't know how these relate to the Centurion line up, but it is all 105 with True Temper steel.

    The delima is weather to clean it up and sell it (too small for me) or shift the parts to a better frame. I just don't think the Diamond Back name would command what it is worth.

    I sold mine in a bad market for over $200. These bikes can actually be marketed as nearly as good as a Centurion Ironman. I would keep it intact and ask for $250, assuming you fix all the issues (including bar tape!).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amesja View Post
    Great find. I say strip it and harvest the parts.

    Strip the decals right off if you can, polish up the frame nicely with scratch-X, take a good photo, and sell it on CL as a frameset. List it as a "nice lugged quality steel frame in Xcm with downtube shifter bosses. Great project frame for taller rider or convert to single speed" I bet you'll get a bunch of calls.

    Don't mention the names Diamondback or True-temper. They are not the droids buyers are looking for. You could probably get $50-75 for the frameset if you lived in or near a decent market once spring hits. Maybe even more. Who knows. It'd go fast in Chicago for upwards of $100. I'd rebuild the headset, chase/face the BB so it looked pristine, and push the fact this good-quality lugged vintage frame with down-tube shifter bosses is ready to build and professionally prepped. Many folks hear lugged, & down-tube bosses and immediately they are impressed that it must be a somewhat higher-end vintage frame. They aren't all that far off.

    Keep the rest of the parts for another build or sell piecemeal as well. If the wheelset is cleaned up, trued, rebuilt bearings you might get a decent price for them too. The groupset might sell together or a la carte. It depends on if you want to sell them or how much time and effort you want to spend on individual sales.

    Good find. But not a flipper whole IMHO. If you want to flip the whole bike at least pull the decals off. The Diamond Back name will to be your friend here for resale value.
    A whole lot of wrong info there, if you ask me. Mine was one of the most stable and one of the best handling bikes I've ever owned. You could ride it for blocks on end one handed, without so much as a twitch. When it came time to sell it, it brought $250 the very day I listed it. I probably should have asked more, honestly. The only drawback is that those bikes had spoke issues, especially on the rear wheels. My wheels from the Master I owned popped a spoke every 9-10 miles, but once I got them rebuilt I never had another issue.,,,,BD

    This one looked in similar condition to the OP's, when I picked it up for $125.. A little polish, and some new tires, and it got snapped up in a hurry. Really, they are outstanding bikes, worthy of the Centurion name on the left chainstay.

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    +1 New tires, bar tape, cables and housings, plus an overall cleaning, and its ready to market. Should do just fine in most markets.

    I usually strip the ones where there are significant frame issues/damage, a frankenbike, or have high end, valuable components. 105 does not get much respect in the market, I do better with groups like 105 and RX100 when they were attached to a bike/frame.



    Now if you have a nice vintage Trek frameset sitting around, sure, swap away.
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