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    Quote Originally Posted by wng View Post
    i've not seen a bb-1 before, cool! Nice work creating a commuter. Aware of rb, mb, cb, xo....wonder what bb stands for?
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    Visited the only bike co-op in the East Valley this afternoon to hunt for items needed for the Raleigh posted previously.

    Lo and behold there was a set of NGC-982 old style low-profile cantilevers for $10 that would fit perfectly. It was like a hundred little parts (exaggerating).
    The arms have eccentric assemblies that rotate to position them up/down in/out. I was a happy bike nerd.

    But once I got home, I found the kit is missing a 'wheeled' Dia Compe straddle hanger.
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    And more importantly, a straddle cable binder bolt assembly. How did I not see that??
    It resembles a brake caliper recessed binder bolt...slips through the end of one of the arms.
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    I can only hope it's still in the bottom of the bin.

    I also picked up a Deore DX rear freehub, and 4 FDs....an XTR-M90x, Deore LX-M571, Suntour XCE, and a cool looking Suntour XC for $5 each!

    I wanted to use the Suntour XC on the Raleigh, but after degunking it, I concluded this model defaults to the big chainring. I've not seen one like this before. Pulling the cable draws the cage to the granny ring. Don't know why anyone would desire a 'normal high' MTB FD.

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    Oh well, it goes into the parts box and the XCE will take its place.
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    I finished up the bike. I had to spend $4 in parts to get it on the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjhammett View Post
    Yesterday I picked up two items that needed a little TLC. One was an Ideale Model 80 saddle for $5 and a Nashbar Road MKII bike for $35. I am done rehabbing the saddle and am about 75% done with the bike. The bike is in really good shape and I am surprised in the quality of it. The Nitto stem that was on the bike is worth about what I paid for the bike.
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    That Nashbar looks wonderful! Chromed fork crown too! Sweet. These are very nice riding frames. I have a soft spot for them, since my first real bike was built around a Nashbar sourced sport tourer frame. Champion #2 tubing, fluted seat stay caps like yours, tomato red paint, but no decals. Mine was an early 78 offering. Made in Japan, but their source was never disclosed. (Tsunoda, Merida, Mariushi, Panasonic?)

    I like the color on yours. Don't let the Nashbar insignia throw you, these are very nice quality production frames from Japan.
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    The seat stays, chain stays, dropouts and fork are chrome under the paint. It also has dropout adjusting screws. The pedals and seat post are replacements. I also believe the rear derailleur is not original. The FD is Cyclone MKII and the rear is ARX. Overall a nice bike. It is too small for me and doesn't fit anyone else in the family so it is going to be sold.


    Quote Originally Posted by WNG View Post
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    That Nashbar looks wonderful! Chromed fork crown too! Sweet. These are very nice riding frames. I have a soft spot for them, since my first real bike was built around a Nashbar sourced sport tourer frame. Champion #2 tubing, fluted seat stay caps like yours, tomato red paint, but no decals. Mine was an early 78 offering. Made in Japan, but their source was never disclosed. (Tsunoda, Merida, Mariushi, Panasonic?)

    I like the color on yours. Don't let the Nashbar insignia throw you, these are very nice quality production frames from Japan.
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    That's too bad it's too small. And that you're too far away from me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rjhammett View Post
    The seat stays, chain stays, dropouts and fork are chrome under the paint. It also has dropout adjusting screws. The pedals and seat post are replacements. I also believe the rear derailleur is not original. The FD is Cyclone MKII and the rear is ARX. Overall a nice bike. It is too small for me and doesn't fit anyone else in the family so it is going to be sold.
    I would think that if the FD is original then the rear was probably Cyclone as well because no manufacture that I have ever seen ever put a lesser quality derailleur on the rear vs the front. ARX isn't a bad derailleur though, I have one and it works fine, but the Cyclone was one level up from that one and has a solid reputation for reliability and quick shifts not to mention a bit lighter. Not sure why the rear was replaced, maybe the owner laid the bike down and broke it, or it may have had a fluke part that broke and it couldn't be fixed, but it must have happened shortly after the bike was purchased but after warranty because ARX was made the same time period as the Cyclone Mk II was being made. Word of caution when servicing the ARX is to be real careful with the cable clamp bolt, they had a tendency to strip, not sure if a better bolt could be found to replace it, I haven't had any issue with that bolt yet but it is prudent to be careful when dealing with it.
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    This has been a productive weekend for picking up bikes that need a little work. This evening I picked up a mid/late '80s Maruishi Record with Shimano 600 components and a late '80s Peugeot Bordeaux. Set me back $40 for the two. This is the first Maruishi I have owned.
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    1974 - 75 Raleigh Pro Track

    I was driving my truck and passed by an old man pushing his shopping cart full of scrap metal down the street when I noticed the chrome on a frame in his cart. So I pulled over to take a look. 1/2 a block away from the scrap yard he was going to. I am not much into building a track bike but I could not let it get melted so I bought it off of him. It was once red that I can tell. Has Campy fork ends and a Campy headset. I can`t find anything wrong with the frame.
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    It sure does look like a Raleigh Team Professional Track. Sickeningly nice score, especially where it was headed. Has the same bottom bracket shell as my Professional road bike, and chrome lugs.,,,,BD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikedued View Post
    It sure does look like a Raleigh Team Professional Track. Sickeningly nice score, especially where it was headed. Has the same bottom bracket shell as my Professional road bike, and chrome lugs.,,,,BD

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    Yours looks beautiful. I would love to see mine restored. I do not have the money to do it right now and the frame is to small for me anyway. 56 cm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikedued View Post
    It sure does look like a Raleigh Team Professional Track. Sickeningly nice score, especially where it was headed. Has the same bottom bracket shell as my Professional road bike, and chrome lugs.,,,,BD

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    Dang, that was a very nice score. Congrats are way in order. Put a set of front brakes on (if you can do that without modifying the bike, or get another chrome fork with the brake drill out.) and you would have a sweet streetable fixie.
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    Not mine unfortunately, just a pic off of the interwebs, showing what yours probably looked like new. I have two single speed/fixed gear bikes though. One is this one, that I got back through a friend in Lake Charles, a year after I moved away. A 2008 Schwinn SS, which was a hybrid that weighed around 29 pounds. I converted it to single speed, and it's WAY lighter now.

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    And the mid sixties? Olmo Special fixed gear. I might take this to the vintage ride tomorrow, though some of the riders aren't that swift about "holding their line" while riding a 50 pound cruiser, lol. It could end in disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNG View Post

    I wanted to use the Suntour XC on the Raleigh, but after degunking it, I concluded this model defaults to the big chainring. I've not seen one like this before. Pulling the cable draws the cage to the granny ring. Don't know why anyone would desire a 'normal high' MTB FD.

    $(KGrHqRHJ!4FIVDLYN+8BSGnYGONew~~60_12.JPG
    Oh well, it goes into the parts box and the XCE will take its place.
    Call me a weirdo but I am partial to high normal front derailleurs... if you don't ever plan on using it it would be one more bit to complete and XC / XC Pro groupset I have been putting together.

    As Berto said, these were the only properly designed front derailleurs.

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    Do people have the same love for Shimano rapid demise(rise) derailleurs? It made sense on a mtb for sure. I would rather not be stuck out on a trail with a malfunctioning mtb at all, but if I was, I would like for it to default to the big ring in back. It was a little too late in the game to switch tactics though, apparently. They lasted about as long as the "brifter" shifters on mtb's. I had to test ride one of those after a recable, and putting your fingers UNDER the brake lever on a mtb was counterproductive on the trail. Pretty much a dismal idea IMHO. I can't even find a picture of them online??,,,,BD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikedued View Post
    Do people have the same love for Shimano rapid demise(rise) derailleurs? It made sense on a mtb for sure. I would rather not be stuck out on a trail with a malfunctioning mtb at all, but if I was, I would like for it to default to the big ring in back. It was a little too late in the game to switch tactics though, apparently. They lasted about as long as the "brifter" shifters on mtb's. I had to test ride one of those after a recable, and putting your fingers UNDER the brake lever on a mtb was counterproductive on the trail. Pretty much a dismal idea IMHO. I can't even find a picture of them online??,,,,BD
    I could never find as much love for Rapid Rise derailleurs although we have had customers order them for tandem and touring builds with the thought that a cable failure would leave them with a useable bailout.

    Shimano's regular mtb groups work really well and with two full passes of the thumbie you essentially have a rapid rise.

    I often double tap my shifters when I am riding, which is what that new XTR electronic group does... the rapid rise messes that technique up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
    Call me a weirdo but I am partial to high normal front derailleurs... if you don't ever plan on using it it would be one more bit to complete and XC / XC Pro groupset I have been putting together.

    As Berto said, these were the only properly designed front derailleurs.
    Enlighten me as to why you and Frank prefer them. I'm intrigued to know because it seems counter intuitive.
    If I can't find any use for it, I'll pm you and you can have it for the cost of shipping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WNG View Post
    Enlighten me as to why you and Frank prefer them. I'm intrigued to know because it seems counter intuitive.
    If I can't find any use for it, I'll pm you and you can have it for the cost of shipping.
    Awesome.

    As far as the high normal front goes, it makes the action of up shifting quick and effortless, gives a nice feel and response when downshifting, and setting up a high normal front derailleur is a joy.

    When you shift down tube shifters or barcons the left lever also moved forward which is a little more intuitive although some don't like the low position on bar ends as the bar end then sticks up and people sometimes hit it although this is what happens on the other side when you are in the low gear... a rapid rise rear and standard front solves that.

    Suntour's vintage front derailleurs are all really good and when I started cycling seriously in the 80's it was interesting to note that the components that shifted best cost half as much as Campagnolo and less than pretty much everyone else too... my first race bike was equipped with Cyclone Mk2 and this is where my love of Suntour started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
    Awesome.


    When you shift down tube shifters or barcons the left lever also moved forward which is a little more intuitive although some don't like the low position on bar ends as the bar end then sticks up and people sometimes hit it although this is what happens on the other side when you are in the low gear...

    Suntour's vintage front derailleurs are all really good and when I started cycling seriously in the 80's it was interesting to note that the components that shifted best cost half as much as Campagnolo and less than pretty much everyone else too... my first race bike was equipped with Cyclone Mk2 and this is where my love of Suntour started.
    That's what I discovered this Winter while riding trails. The bar end would hit my knee, and sometimes I get the badly timed upshift while struggling to climb a steep slope.
    I guess it is visually and functionally more matching...pull to downshift.

    I also like Suntour's performance when it came to their drivetrain.
    When I picked up a Cannondale R500 with a road triple, I noticed it was kitted up with RX100 except the FD. Instead, a braze-on version of a Suntour model and a braze on adapter clamp was spec-ed by Cannondale. It handled the triple effortlessly. I guess there wasn't a Shimano model that was satisfactory.
    (Man, I hope I get that Cannondale back!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
    I could never find as much love for Rapid Rise derailleurs although we have had customers order them for tandem and touring builds with the thought that a cable failure would leave them with a useable bailout.

    Shimano's regular mtb groups work really well and with two full passes of the thumbie you essentially have a rapid rise.

    I often double tap my shifters when I am riding, which is what that new XTR electronic group does... the rapid rise messes that technique up.
    I was thinking mainly about the Shimano brifters for mtn bikes. They look like road shifters somewhat, but have shorter levers, and you shift by pushing up and down on the brake levers. Like road brifters turned horizontal, but a single lever acting as brakes and shifting. You push down on the lever to go up to a bigger gear, and push up with the backs of your fingers to down shift. Meanwhile if you are shifting down, there is NO chance of grabbing a handful of brake lever when you need it. I never wanted to get off of a bike more quickly. Trying to handle that while riding over rough terrain is not something I'd want to attempt.,,,,BD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikedued View Post
    I was thinking mainly about the Shimano brifters for mtn bikes. They look like road shifters somewhat, but have shorter levers, and you shift by pushing up and down on the brake levers. Like road brifters turned horizontal, but a single lever acting as brakes and shifting. You push down on the lever to go up to a bigger gear, and push up with the backs of your fingers to down shift. Meanwhile if you are shifting down, there is NO chance of grabbing a handful of brake lever when you need it. I never wanted to get off of a bike more quickly. Trying to handle that while riding over rough terrain is not something I'd want to attempt.,,,,BD
    I remember seeing these. I thought it was rather stupid ergonomically. To open and relax one's grip to try to swing a lever up and down??? Guess that's why they disappeared.
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    Yeah, downshifting, going downhill, at high speed. That's EXACTLY when you don't want your fingers on the outside of the brake levers!!,,,,BD

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    Got the cloth wrap on the COTD SLT 12.2 the other day, and it couldn't possibly look much better. Well, maybe with a black Team Pro? I like this VO bar wrap, but I could have bought it locally. It's the same stuff as that "fixie" company sell(or appears to be), judging by the way it's packaged. Anyway, still nice bar wrap whoever sells it. The black looks better with this bike, IMHO.,,,,BD






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    I got a 1985 Nishiki Continental yesterday. If you're interested, see my post here:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckk View Post
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    Today was my day.
    American Camera Mfg. was bought by Rochester Photographic Co. which was bought by Eastman.
    While it's labeled as a American Camera, I believe it is actually a Rochester "Cycle Poco 4x5" plate camera. "Ruggedized" so you could take it with you on your bicycle outing (meaning leather covering instead of finished wood).

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