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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikedued View Post
    Do people have the same love for Shimano rapid demise(rise) derailleurs? It made sense on a mtb for sure. I would rather not be stuck out on a trail with a malfunctioning mtb at all, but if I was, I would like for it to default to the big ring in back. It was a little too late in the game to switch tactics though, apparently. They lasted about as long as the "brifter" shifters on mtb's. I had to test ride one of those after a recable, and putting your fingers UNDER the brake lever on a mtb was counterproductive on the trail. Pretty much a dismal idea IMHO. I can't even find a picture of them online??,,,,BD
    I could never find as much love for Rapid Rise derailleurs although we have had customers order them for tandem and touring builds with the thought that a cable failure would leave them with a useable bailout.

    Shimano's regular mtb groups work really well and with two full passes of the thumbie you essentially have a rapid rise.

    I often double tap my shifters when I am riding, which is what that new XTR electronic group does... the rapid rise messes that technique up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
    Call me a weirdo but I am partial to high normal front derailleurs... if you don't ever plan on using it it would be one more bit to complete and XC / XC Pro groupset I have been putting together.

    As Berto said, these were the only properly designed front derailleurs.
    Enlighten me as to why you and Frank prefer them. I'm intrigued to know because it seems counter intuitive.
    If I can't find any use for it, I'll pm you and you can have it for the cost of shipping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WNG View Post
    Enlighten me as to why you and Frank prefer them. I'm intrigued to know because it seems counter intuitive.
    If I can't find any use for it, I'll pm you and you can have it for the cost of shipping.
    Awesome.

    As far as the high normal front goes, it makes the action of up shifting quick and effortless, gives a nice feel and response when downshifting, and setting up a high normal front derailleur is a joy.

    When you shift down tube shifters or barcons the left lever also moved forward which is a little more intuitive although some don't like the low position on bar ends as the bar end then sticks up and people sometimes hit it although this is what happens on the other side when you are in the low gear... a rapid rise rear and standard front solves that.

    Suntour's vintage front derailleurs are all really good and when I started cycling seriously in the 80's it was interesting to note that the components that shifted best cost half as much as Campagnolo and less than pretty much everyone else too... my first race bike was equipped with Cyclone Mk2 and this is where my love of Suntour started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
    Awesome.


    When you shift down tube shifters or barcons the left lever also moved forward which is a little more intuitive although some don't like the low position on bar ends as the bar end then sticks up and people sometimes hit it although this is what happens on the other side when you are in the low gear...

    Suntour's vintage front derailleurs are all really good and when I started cycling seriously in the 80's it was interesting to note that the components that shifted best cost half as much as Campagnolo and less than pretty much everyone else too... my first race bike was equipped with Cyclone Mk2 and this is where my love of Suntour started.
    That's what I discovered this Winter while riding trails. The bar end would hit my knee, and sometimes I get the badly timed upshift while struggling to climb a steep slope.
    I guess it is visually and functionally more matching...pull to downshift.

    I also like Suntour's performance when it came to their drivetrain.
    When I picked up a Cannondale R500 with a road triple, I noticed it was kitted up with RX100 except the FD. Instead, a braze-on version of a Suntour model and a braze on adapter clamp was spec-ed by Cannondale. It handled the triple effortlessly. I guess there wasn't a Shimano model that was satisfactory.
    (Man, I hope I get that Cannondale back!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
    I could never find as much love for Rapid Rise derailleurs although we have had customers order them for tandem and touring builds with the thought that a cable failure would leave them with a useable bailout.

    Shimano's regular mtb groups work really well and with two full passes of the thumbie you essentially have a rapid rise.

    I often double tap my shifters when I am riding, which is what that new XTR electronic group does... the rapid rise messes that technique up.
    I was thinking mainly about the Shimano brifters for mtn bikes. They look like road shifters somewhat, but have shorter levers, and you shift by pushing up and down on the brake levers. Like road brifters turned horizontal, but a single lever acting as brakes and shifting. You push down on the lever to go up to a bigger gear, and push up with the backs of your fingers to down shift. Meanwhile if you are shifting down, there is NO chance of grabbing a handful of brake lever when you need it. I never wanted to get off of a bike more quickly. Trying to handle that while riding over rough terrain is not something I'd want to attempt.,,,,BD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikedued View Post
    I was thinking mainly about the Shimano brifters for mtn bikes. They look like road shifters somewhat, but have shorter levers, and you shift by pushing up and down on the brake levers. Like road brifters turned horizontal, but a single lever acting as brakes and shifting. You push down on the lever to go up to a bigger gear, and push up with the backs of your fingers to down shift. Meanwhile if you are shifting down, there is NO chance of grabbing a handful of brake lever when you need it. I never wanted to get off of a bike more quickly. Trying to handle that while riding over rough terrain is not something I'd want to attempt.,,,,BD
    I remember seeing these. I thought it was rather stupid ergonomically. To open and relax one's grip to try to swing a lever up and down??? Guess that's why they disappeared.
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    Yeah, downshifting, going downhill, at high speed. That's EXACTLY when you don't want your fingers on the outside of the brake levers!!,,,,BD
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    Got the cloth wrap on the COTD SLT 12.2 the other day, and it couldn't possibly look much better. Well, maybe with a black Team Pro? I like this VO bar wrap, but I could have bought it locally. It's the same stuff as that "fixie" company sell(or appears to be), judging by the way it's packaged. Anyway, still nice bar wrap whoever sells it. The black looks better with this bike, IMHO.,,,,BD





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    I got a 1985 Nishiki Continental yesterday. If you're interested, see my post here:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckk View Post
    It's been a long time since I picked up an early 1900's camera at a garage sale.
    Today was my day.
    American Camera Mfg. was bought by Rochester Photographic Co. which was bought by Eastman.
    While it's labeled as a American Camera, I believe it is actually a Rochester "Cycle Poco 4x5" plate camera. "Ruggedized" so you could take it with you on your bicycle outing (meaning leather covering instead of finished wood).

    Even though most of us have gone 20+ Megapixel Digital, this sort of camera still deserves a lot of respect...
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    Nice find! Super cool.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckk View Post
    It's been a long time since I picked up an early 1900's camera at a garage sale.
    Today was my day.
    American Camera Mfg. was bought by Rochester Photographic Co. which was bought by Eastman.
    While it's labeled as a American Camera, I believe it is actually a Rochester "Cycle Poco 4x5" plate camera. "Ruggedized" so you could take it with you on your bicycle outing (meaning leather covering instead of finished wood).

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    I stopped by Goodwill today and picked up 3 bikes for $90.
    1. Trek 330
    2. Trek Navigator 200
    3. Ross Signature 292S

    All are in really nice shape. The Ross has Shimano Golden Arrow (early 105) components.
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    Something different then bike or bike parts.

    Boss man with the almost 40 yr old Bike Store was doing a little clearing out. On the way to the dumpster I took a quick peek at some of the advertizers being thrown away. Anything I saw I could have he said...

    Grabbed this. Nice banner from one of the DuPont Tours. Which year I do not know. Hoot to have as I remember them and caught one when it came to Greensboro in 95(?). Good memories !

    Anybody have any idea when Le Bleu was "the water" for the tour ? Have already been told by the wife there is not way in H--- it's going up in the house ! Probably'cause it is 3X15 big. Nice condition too.

    Also snagged a nice little cloth banner for Vredestein tyres.


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    Yess.. a $25 bike.. H700 Cannondale.

    The frame is no good.. it's cracked in two places on the right seat stay. However, it's got a M900 Shimano XTR front and rear derailer. The Ritchey Logic crankset is not bad either.

    Impressive bike, minus the craftsman wrench pipe clamped onto the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usa068 View Post
    Yess.. a $25 bike.. H700 Cannondale.

    The frame is no good.. it's cracked in two places on the right seat stay. However, it's got a M900 Shimano XTR front and rear derailer. The Ritchey Logic crankset is not bad either.

    Impressive bike, minus the craftsman wrench pipe clamped onto the frame.

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    Nice score! Did you ask if they had any Mountain bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vonruden View Post
    Nice score! Did you ask if they had any Mountain bikes.

    uh.. it's a nice day, but no other bikes. I have a Trek 930.. meh. for sale maybe, where I really want a vintage something else.. at least a Trek 950, the right size with a lug frame.

    After reading the Poor Man's Rivendell pages here, I'm getting warmer day by day. Eventually everything will come together. It's too bad about this cannondale frame.. it's toasted.

    Also, some day I'm heading to the cape may ferry for a day of riding down in Delaware. Beer at Dogfish brewery too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjhammett View Post
    I stopped by Goodwill today and picked up 3 bikes for $90.
    1. Trek 330
    2. Trek Navigator 200
    3. Ross Signature 292S

    All are in really nice shape. The Ross has Shimano Golden Arrow (early 105) components.
    Sweet!
    BUT - You know the drill - pics or it didn't happen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by usa068 View Post
    Yess.. a $25 bike.. H700 Cannondale.

    The frame is no good.. it's cracked in two places on the right seat stay. However, it's got a M900 Shimano XTR front and rear derailer. The Ritchey Logic crankset is not bad either.

    Impressive bike, minus the craftsman wrench pipe clamped onto the frame.

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    I've had frames in worse shape repaired by welding the Aluminum(HORRORS!!) and worked just fine...shouldn't cost more than $30-40...
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    I will post pictures tomorrow when it is light out and not raining.

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    Sweet!
    BUT - You know the drill - pics or it didn't happen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by anixi View Post
    I've had frames in worse shape repaired by welding the Aluminum(HORRORS!!) and worked just fine...shouldn't cost more than $30-40...
    That's a consideration. Have to figure out this bike a little more, the top tube might be too long.

    The chain rings are warped too much, and the front derailer was taken off, due to that. The rear wheel is equally bad. And on and on. It's a real nut case of a bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usa068 View Post
    That's a consideration. Have to figure out this bike a little more, the top tube might be too long.

    The chain rings are warped too much, and the front derailer was taken off, due to that. The rear wheel is equally bad. And on and on. It's a real nut case of a bike.
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    A friend of mine knew I liked old bikes and wanted to offer me his first 10 speed he bought in 1988, before he dumped it. I paid $36 for it, I just wanted the frame/fork for another 6590b conversion. Here it is after I got done with it, I haven't even cleaned the frame yet! Please ignore the hideous carbon post, a Thomson is on the way. The ride is AMAZING! Super comfy and smooth, handles extremely well.

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    Nice bikes you guys.
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    I haven't been around BF much in a while and haven't had any really good scores to speak of lately until today. Obviously, the handlebars, brake levers and tires aren't original and the granny gear is missing. I'm not sure about the saddle, as I haven't taken the time to look up the original specs. I think everything else is original, including the 650B wheels. A modified Raleigh Portage for $110. It's too bad I'm a little over 6'-1" tall.


















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    Here is my 1940s Hawthorne. Unfortunately got so excited that I brought it home and jumped in head first. Also got an 80s womens Schwinn cruiser. I guess I should mention they were free. Had to take 5 in total to get them, the other 3 were 90s murrays.
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