The sub $2000 38 Paramount track
#1
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: SF
Posts: 1,572
Bikes: 1972 Paramount Track, 1972 Paramount P13 Road, 1972 Paramount Tandem, 1986 Paramount Road, Merckx MXL, Gunnar Cross Hairs, Samson Illusion NJS, KHS Aero Track, Titus Racer X 29er, Tom Palermo Custom Touring
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times
in
2 Posts
The sub $2000 38 Paramount track
Some talk had gone around about the sub $2000 BIN chrome Paramount track that was up on ebay a few weeks ago. I sadly didn't win the bike, but I have found some photos. It was up on ebay at that price for less than an hour as I understand it.
Here is the info/pictures from Velospace:
https://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/...bikes/album20/
"Bike as listed on ebay"
Original Paramount hubs. There was a 40ish Paramount track on ebay recently with claimed "original" hubs, but they were not. The Paramount hubs are very distinct. In talking with a collector last night the earliest models used alum flanges and steel hub shells. They do NOT have dust shields.
Oil port and Paramount track cranks clearly visible
And as it is now finished:
It also came with a set of NOS period correct bars, though not original equipment. I've heard that the price was as low as 1500, but possibly as high as 1800. Either way, the new owner got the steal of the century.
Here is the info/pictures from Velospace:
https://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/...bikes/album20/
"Bike as listed on ebay"
Original Paramount hubs. There was a 40ish Paramount track on ebay recently with claimed "original" hubs, but they were not. The Paramount hubs are very distinct. In talking with a collector last night the earliest models used alum flanges and steel hub shells. They do NOT have dust shields.
Oil port and Paramount track cranks clearly visible
And as it is now finished:
It also came with a set of NOS period correct bars, though not original equipment. I've heard that the price was as low as 1500, but possibly as high as 1800. Either way, the new owner got the steal of the century.
#2
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,768
Bikes: Cinelli, Paramount, Raleigh, Carlton, Zeus, Gemniani, Frejus, Legnano, Pinarello, Falcon
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times
in
8 Posts
I have a similar one I've been trying to get back together for decades. Bought $200. bucks, basically was just a frame and the wheels with wood rims, but there were enough wrong parts to build it up. I've since found a stem, still need a left crank arm. Those Paramount parts are impossible to find! Bar, seatpost and pedals I settle for whatever!
#3
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: SF
Posts: 1,572
Bikes: 1972 Paramount Track, 1972 Paramount P13 Road, 1972 Paramount Tandem, 1986 Paramount Road, Merckx MXL, Gunnar Cross Hairs, Samson Illusion NJS, KHS Aero Track, Titus Racer X 29er, Tom Palermo Custom Touring
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times
in
2 Posts
I have a similar one I've been trying to get back together for decades. Bought $200. bucks, basically was just a frame and the wheels with wood rims, but there were enough wrong parts to build it up. I've since found a stem, still need a left crank arm. Those Paramount parts are impossible to find! Bar, seatpost and pedals I settle for whatever!
#4
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,768
Bikes: Cinelli, Paramount, Raleigh, Carlton, Zeus, Gemniani, Frejus, Legnano, Pinarello, Falcon
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times
in
8 Posts
I think I paid $85. for a nice used one...
stem that is!
stem that is!
Last edited by dbakl; 12-15-08 at 03:55 PM.
#5
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: SF
Posts: 1,572
Bikes: 1972 Paramount Track, 1972 Paramount P13 Road, 1972 Paramount Tandem, 1986 Paramount Road, Merckx MXL, Gunnar Cross Hairs, Samson Illusion NJS, KHS Aero Track, Titus Racer X 29er, Tom Palermo Custom Touring
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times
in
2 Posts
I think you should sell me the bike =)
#6
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,768
Bikes: Cinelli, Paramount, Raleigh, Carlton, Zeus, Gemniani, Frejus, Legnano, Pinarello, Falcon
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times
in
8 Posts
Dig the patented Varsity/Continental stay treatment:
https://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/...+%234.jpg.html
https://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/...+%234.jpg.html
#7
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Lancaster County, PA
Posts: 5,045
Bikes: '39 Hobbs, '58 Marastoni, '73 Italian custom, '75 Wizard, '76 Wilier, '78 Tom Kellogg, '79 Colnago Super, '79 Sachs, '81 Masi Prestige, '82 Cuevas, '83 Picchio Special, '84 Murray-Serotta, '85 Trek 170, '89 Bianchi, '90 Bill Holland, '94 Grandis
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 12 Times
in
10 Posts
You had to find those pictures. I stared at that bike on ebay for 5 minutes and hemmed and hawed before finally walking away. I believe it is too small for me, but it still hurt not to pull the trigger. I seem to recall the price was closer to the $1500 figure, but there's so much about that day I've blanked out ...
#9
www.theheadbadge.com
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern Florida
Posts: 28,510
Bikes: https://www.theheadbadge.com
Mentioned: 124 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2420 Post(s)
Liked 4,381 Times
in
2,090 Posts
#10
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,768
Bikes: Cinelli, Paramount, Raleigh, Carlton, Zeus, Gemniani, Frejus, Legnano, Pinarello, Falcon
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times
in
8 Posts
Its from the bars swinging around in a fall. Track bikes typically used that bumper of handlebar tape to help avoid (or cover the dent in this case).
#11
Full Member
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 442
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 31 Post(s)
Liked 73 Times
in
29 Posts
I was lucky to buy this one years ago an an estate sale for $250.I believe it is a 1939 model.There was also a raleigh professional at the same sale that i could have purchased for the same amount,but i only had enough money for one.
#12
www.theheadbadge.com
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern Florida
Posts: 28,510
Bikes: https://www.theheadbadge.com
Mentioned: 124 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2420 Post(s)
Liked 4,381 Times
in
2,090 Posts
-Kurt
#13
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: SF
Posts: 1,572
Bikes: 1972 Paramount Track, 1972 Paramount P13 Road, 1972 Paramount Tandem, 1986 Paramount Road, Merckx MXL, Gunnar Cross Hairs, Samson Illusion NJS, KHS Aero Track, Titus Racer X 29er, Tom Palermo Custom Touring
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times
in
2 Posts
It's a shame it doesn't have the Paramount hubs, they are very very very hard to find.
#15
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,768
Bikes: Cinelli, Paramount, Raleigh, Carlton, Zeus, Gemniani, Frejus, Legnano, Pinarello, Falcon
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times
in
8 Posts
Airlite hubs on ebay; possibly the model for Paramount hubs:
https://cgi.ebay.com/AIRLITE-LARGE-FL...1%7C240%3A1318
https://cgi.ebay.com/AIRLITE-LARGE-FL...1%7C240%3A1318
#16
www.theheadbadge.com
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern Florida
Posts: 28,510
Bikes: https://www.theheadbadge.com
Mentioned: 124 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2420 Post(s)
Liked 4,381 Times
in
2,090 Posts
Airlite hubs on ebay; possibly the model for Paramount hubs:
https://cgi.ebay.com/AIRLITE-LARGE-FL...1%7C240%3A1318
https://cgi.ebay.com/AIRLITE-LARGE-FL...1%7C240%3A1318
-Kurt
#17
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: SF
Posts: 1,572
Bikes: 1972 Paramount Track, 1972 Paramount P13 Road, 1972 Paramount Tandem, 1986 Paramount Road, Merckx MXL, Gunnar Cross Hairs, Samson Illusion NJS, KHS Aero Track, Titus Racer X 29er, Tom Palermo Custom Touring
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times
in
2 Posts
Airlite hubs on ebay; possibly the model for Paramount hubs:
https://cgi.ebay.com/AIRLITE-LARGE-FL...1%7C240%3A1318
https://cgi.ebay.com/AIRLITE-LARGE-FL...1%7C240%3A1318
#18
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: SF
Posts: 1,572
Bikes: 1972 Paramount Track, 1972 Paramount P13 Road, 1972 Paramount Tandem, 1986 Paramount Road, Merckx MXL, Gunnar Cross Hairs, Samson Illusion NJS, KHS Aero Track, Titus Racer X 29er, Tom Palermo Custom Touring
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times
in
2 Posts
#21
Full Member
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 442
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 31 Post(s)
Liked 73 Times
in
29 Posts
My serial number is A567.Yea I wish it had the correct hubs but these I think are a period replacement I suspect from a superior so it does not bother me much.I also have a prewar superior and strangely it came with paramount hubs but they are in very poor rusty condition.Here is a pic of the superior.The picture does not show the paramount hubs as the wheels with the paramount hubs are trashed.I do have the other parts.
#22
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,768
Bikes: Cinelli, Paramount, Raleigh, Carlton, Zeus, Gemniani, Frejus, Legnano, Pinarello, Falcon
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times
in
8 Posts
Mine has been hanging in my basement at least 10 years since I had it painted. I've since gotten a headbadge and the correct decals for it. I have the Paramount hubs on wood rims, but wheels should be rebuilt. Have a Paramount stem, the drive crank, a seatpost bolt and the headset and bottom bracket.
Serial number is 1912 on bottom bracket. Also came with 2 extra rear hubs, alloy bar and stem, weird pedals and an English track crankset. Seller said his father raced it. I paid $200. for everything probably 15 years ago... frame was bare metal when I got it.
Serial number is 1912 on bottom bracket. Also came with 2 extra rear hubs, alloy bar and stem, weird pedals and an English track crankset. Seller said his father raced it. I paid $200. for everything probably 15 years ago... frame was bare metal when I got it.