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    Can someone shed some light on Guerciotti?

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    I've recently picked up a mid 70's Guerciotti frame for a project and was wondering what the deal was with these bikes? I've done some searching around, etc. and can't find a ton of info on them. Where were they status-wise in the 70's Italian bike-making world? Seems like a nice frame...
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    PIctures please!

    Most US gureciottis were painted in America by Ten Speed Imports, they are nice frames, well built but don't have the one master builder type of fame like De Rosa or other small builders. They are probably on bar with most Italian bikes like Benotto, Post-Ernesto made colnagos etc... I think they by the mid 1980s the fineness of the finishing starts suffering. I have a 1982 with nice drilled lugs that are nicely filed, it's a well made machine.... later 1980s don't seem to have as much lug work done to them... so a 1970s bike should be pretty nice... some of the more knowledgeable experts on the forum can tell you more from photos.
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    Are you kidding! Guerciotti was top notch. One of my dream bikes that I never attained. Although I had a really cool track warm-up jacket with GUERCIOTTI MILANO embroidered on it. You've a good, no great, frame there.

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    hahaha!!!

    This is the exact same debate I saw going on in the archives -- I can't tell if they are good or just OK or if there are good years/times what are they?

    Oh - and pics coming soon!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckk View Post
    I've read that the TSD Guerciottis were built by Billato, but your 70's is before that.
    All my research on Billato has impressed me. I read nothing but praise. Apparently they have more major wins than any other builder. Early Legnanos were built by them apparently. They still operate out of a small facility with the 3 brother doing all the construction, mostly carbon these days. I have a 2000 billato built marin and it is an awesome awesome awesome bike to ride, columbus nemo steel.
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    Billato was only one of many subcontractors used by Guerciotti, as such you can't make any blanket statements about Guerciotti's without knowing of the precise one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclotoine View Post
    I have a 2000 billato built marin and it is an awesome awesome awesome bike to ride, columbus nemo steel.
    So how good is Nemo Tubing. I have a Roger De Vlaeminck frame set made out of Nemo Tubing. It's very light! How does it compare to other steel?
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    I've personally seen some very nice Guerciottis. I've seen some very middling ones. They could be very good, but weren't consistently on a par with the very best.

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    the earliest Guerciottis were made by Lino Tempesta, a close relative of Paolo's. Antonio Mondonico was brought in as a partner to oversee steel roadbike production at Guerciotti's own facility during the mid-late 70's until "differences over the direction of the company" caused him to leave. From that point on Guerciotti's steel bike production was farmed out to a series of subcontractors including Billato and Basso.

    *the aluminum cyclocross bikes were rebadged AlAns

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    Quote Originally Posted by gr23932 View Post
    So how good is Nemo Tubing.....How does it compare to other steel?
    Nemo was Columbus' flagship lightweight tubeset of the time-It was an improved Nivacrom formula which replaced Genius and had a tt wall thickness of 0.7-o.4-o.7 (compared to .9-.6-.9 for SL,SLX & TSX, and .5-.38-.5 for the most recent top-of-the-line Ultrafoco & Spirit* Thermacrom steels-fwiw,the new 'Spirit for Lugs' tubeset is detuned at .75-.45-.75)

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    Columbus Nemo is very good tubing. Torelli uses it in their steel frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caterham View Post
    Nemo was Columbus' flagship lightweight tubeset of the time-It was an improved Nivacrom formula which replaced Genius and had a tt wall thickness of 0.7-o.4-o.7 (compared to .9-.6-.9 for SL,SLX & TSX, and .5-.38-.5 for the most recent top-of-the-line Ultrafoco & Spirit* Thermacrom steels-fwiw,the new 'Spirit for Lugs' tubeset is detuned at .75-.45-.75)
    Quote Originally Posted by bbattle View Post
    Columbus Nemo is very good tubing. Torelli uses it in their steel frames.
    That's good to hear. I guess I made the right choice by buying it for 60.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prudy View Post
    hahaha!!!

    This is the exact same debate I saw going on in the archives -- I can't tell if they are good or just OK or if there are good years/times what are they?
    Insecure people should find/buy/ride DeRosa, Masi, Colnago, and leave the Guerciottis to those of us less-well-heeled folk who are made of sterner stuff.

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    I almost bought a Guerciotti frame on eBay. It was in Australia, had different fork and Oria tubing. Somebody e-mailed me it was a fake. I voiced my concerns to the seller and he offered to let me back out. I then e-mailed Alessandro Guerciotti and he told me they did make some frames with Oria tubing. I forwarded that info. to the seller who managed to resell the frame with no troubles except for the guy that had e-mailed me, interfering with the sale.

    I had felt bad about the whole thing and seriously considered bidding again on the frame but didn't want to risk antagonizing the seller, who was a real nice guy.

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    Would paying $200 for a good condition mid-seventies Guerciotti frame/fork w/ record headset be a fair deal?
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    I think you did OK, but it's not "catch of the day." I paid somewhat more for a 1980s SLX frame with headset and BB, and I'm pleased that I did.

    We're still waiting for the photos.

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    Photos on the way! Be tomorrow before I can get them up but I promise...

    My plan is to begin doing my own work on bikes - the Guerciotti is the frame I'm going to use to build the bike around.

    I will be building my first wheels, etc. for this project so I'll need some help/advice...my plan is to use all vintage components for this bike as well.
    Last edited by Prudy; 01-19-09 at 10:39 AM.
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