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Old 01-23-09, 04:39 PM   #1
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The Ultimate 'suicide' bicycle thread.

Reading the 'Cinelli Suicide Pedals' thread just now prompted me to think of what would happen if we combined all the 'suicide' components in one machine?
The ultimate put off?

How about a frame with Viscount forks, Cinelli pedals and various vintage shifters etc.
I'm not aware (yet) of a suicide frame but I bet there is one somewhere
Lets hear some suggestions....
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Although I've never seen one actually broken, the Cannondale Crit frame with the cantilever dropouts could qualify.
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Frame: Cannondale canitliver, Teledyne Titan, Kirk Precision, or Exxon Graftek
Fork: Viscount Aerospace Pro
Stem: AVA
Handlebar: AVA
Seatpost: Campagnolo C-Record or Triomphe/Victory taper (heard through the grape vine that a few might have cracked in the past)
Saddle: Anything with a carbon frame.
Crankset: Nuovo Record w/stress cracks
Derailers: Simplex Prestige
Pedals: Aformentioned Cinellis
Brake calipers: Campagnolo Delta
Brake levers: Modolo plastic?

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According to M. Barry (Mariposa bikes), about the Mafac GT centre pull:

''the Mafacs had one disconcerting feature: the brake quick release mechanism would snap open when one braked really hard''

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way back in the archives of another section of BF there is a long thread about this.
I have to input that the front derailleur should be simplex but the rear should be an electric Mavic.
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A while back someone posted a picture of a Kamikazi brand bike. That would probably be appropriate for the frame.
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A pennyfarthing with a Viscount fork.
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The '74 Fujis had some real thin spokes.
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Be sure to build it with chromed steel rims (no hook edge) and high pressure Kevlar bead tires.
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The '74 Fujis had some real thin spokes.
I had a Raleigh from that era with the same "feature". They also rusted as I recall.
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A pennyfarthing with a Viscount fork.
I like this one
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Frame: Cannondale canitliver, Teledyne Titan, Kirk Precision, or Exxon Graftek
Fork: Viscount Aerospace Pro
Stem: AVA
Handlebar: AVA
Seatpost: Campagnolo C-Record or Triomphe/Victory taper (heard through the grape vine that a few might have cracked in the past)
Saddle: Anything with a carbon frame.
Crankset: Nuovo Record w/stress cracks
Derailers: Simplex Prestige
Pedals: Aformentioned Cinellis
Brake calipers: Campagnolo Delta
Brake levers: Modolo plastic?

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Pretty good, I'll add that the matching plastic simplex shifters would be good with this set-up.

Stem could also be a modolo equipe.
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Could make it a single speed and take any freewheel hub with a track gear for the "suicide hub"
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Whatever is used for the brakes, brake levers, crank arms, and derailleurs, be sure they get the "drillium" feature. Heck, while we're at it, drill out the handle bars, seat post and maybe the stem, too.

As for the frame, pretty much any first-gen screwed-and-glued carbon fiber frame with aluminum lugs.

And if we can't find a Viscount/Lambert "death fork," maybe we could use George Hincapie's fork from Paris-Roubaix a year or two ago. I doubt if he needs it for anything . . . .
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Be sure to build it with chromed steel rims (no hook edge) and high pressure Kevlar bead tires.
Oh, yes! Make sure the brake surface is smooooooooth (no "bumps) and then ride downhill in the rain.
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I'd toss in a Huret Allvit RD. They might not break, but they could convince a person to kill themselves.
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Stronglight plastic headset.

Any "suicide" FD from Huret, Simplex, Cyclo or Campagnolo.


Edit: Rims could be Fiamme Ergals, Nisi Sludis or Gel 280s (at least for riders over 140 )
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OK, the new build reads:
Frame: Cannondale canitliver, Teledyne Titan, Kirk Precision, or Exxon Graftek
Fork: Viscount Aerospace Pro
Stem: 3TTT/Modolo Equipe/AVA
Handlebar: AVA (alternates with proper clamp diameter needed for the 3TTT and Modolo setups)
Seatpost: Campagnolo C-Record or Triomphe/Victory aero
Saddle: Anything with a carbon frame.
Crankset: Shimano MTB death cranks
Derailers: Simplex Prestige
Pedals: Aformentioned Cinellis
Brake calipers: Campagnolo Delta
Brake levers: Modolo plastic?
Rims: Steel, single wall 700C, smooth-edge
Hubs: Campagnolo C-Record Sheriff Star
Tires: Anything made to be run at 100+ PSI

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Add the "safety" brake levers a.k.a. turkey wings. And if it's a fixie, no sprocket locknut, just Loctite (like some fixie fans apparently do).
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Hubs: Campagnolo C-Record Sheriff Star

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Laced 2 cross having been laced radial and 3x in the past, alternating leading an trailing spoke holes from past lacing patterns.
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Just lace them radial and be done with it.

Better yet, lace them radial into one of those crappy, 20-spoke, non-eyeletted Bontrager Race Lite rims. Can you say "snap, crackle, pop?"

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and no plugs on the end of the bars.

and from the world of MTB, how about the old-style bridge on the straddle-cable of canti brakes so that if the straddle wire jumped out of the bridge, or if the anchor bolt slipped, the straddle wire falls down and catches on the knobby tires and stops the bike instantly.
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OK, the new build reads:
Frame: Cannondale canitliver, Teledyne Titan, Kirk Precision, or Exxon Graftek
Fork: Viscount Aerospace Pro
Stem: 3TTT/Modolo Equipe/AVA
Handlebar: AVA (alternates with proper clamp diameter needed for the 3TTT and Modolo setups)
Seatpost: Campagnolo C-Record or Triomphe/Victory aero
Saddle: Anything with a carbon frame.
Crankset: Shimano MTB death cranks
Derailers: Simplex Prestige
Pedals: Aformentioned Cinellis
Brake calipers: Campagnolo Delta
Brake levers: Modolo plastic?
Rims: Steel, single wall 700C, smooth-edge
Hubs: Campagnolo C-Record Sheriff Star
Tires: Anything made to be run at 100+ PSI

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No...seatpost must be the Shiba Western plastic.

As for calipers, a properly set up set of Deltas was adequate. There was no way to set up Universal AERs to stop. Period.
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Just lace them radial and be done with it.

Better yet, lace them radial into one of those crappy, 20-spoke, non-eyeletted Bontrager Race Lite rims. Can you say "snap, crackle, pop?"

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I have one of those mechanical failures-waiting-to-happen. Off a Trek FX 7.5. I built new wheels - of course. Still can't figure out what to do with this monster. Get this: Spoke-tension between over 220 Kgf and 145 Kgf. Not snap, crackle, pop - more like Bang! Bang! Bang!
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