Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 01-26-09, 11:16 PM   #1
notoriousDUG
Newbie
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 3
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
What did I buy?

Well, trade for actually but long story short I got a janky but apparently nice old frame I intend to build but I am kinda new to older bikes so, at the recommendation of a friend, I was hoping you nice folks might be able to help me out a bit.

Frame is a theft recovery and painted about 4-5 times but looks like it was originally dark blue; it had been built up as a fixie with some decent components but neglected for ages. The BB is stamped with a S/N that looks like it may be NW6210 but it is crazy hard to read.



the drop outs are stamped Shimano and EF and the stays are chrome most the way up.





The lugs are nothing ultra fancy but seem to be a bit nicer then most and it has some nice details like a pump peg and the lug to hang the chain from. It also has some small square braze ons for the down tube shifters and front derailure. Standard bottom bracket and 26.8 seat post. It seems to have a short TT given the size of the ST leading to the tall head tube and a really long (8 1/4") steerer. It came with a Tange fork but I am pretty sure it is not the original.









I will be happy to provide any pics or info you request; thanks in advance for any help on the ID.
notoriousDUG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-09, 11:22 PM   #2
cyclotoine
Senior Member
 
cyclotoine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Yukon, Canada
Bikes:
Posts: 8,558
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 36 Post(s)
Someone cut the shifter braze-ons off. That is what the squares are. The diamond cut-outs are familiar and the lugs do look nice. The fastback stay treatment is also very cool. There are a lot of defining features so I predict this will be a quick ID.
__________________
1 Super Record bike, 1 Nuovo Record bike, 1 Pista, 1 Road, 1 Cyclocross/Allrounder, 1 MTB, 1 Touring, 1 Fixed gear
cyclotoine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-09, 11:23 PM   #3
BlankCrows
Avenir Equipped
 
BlankCrows's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Bikes: Chesini X-Uno, etc.....
Posts: 1,149
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Some good pics of the fork could help the ID crew.
BlankCrows is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-09, 12:00 AM   #4
notoriousDUG
Newbie
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 3
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Fork pic, but as I said I do not think it is original to the frame. It's marked as a Tange.

notoriousDUG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-09, 12:10 AM   #5
pacifico
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: East Bay
Bikes:
Posts: 101
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Like you said, I doubt that the fork is original - it has canti bosses for one, and there are none on the seat stays. Looks like a pretty decently built frame, but unfortunately I can't shed any light on the manufacturer. The Shimano dropouts and diamond cut in the lugs make me think Japanese.

edit: Maybe a Univega or Miyata, or Apollo?

Last edited by pacifico; 01-27-09 at 12:23 AM.
pacifico is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-09, 12:32 AM   #6
balindamood 
Wrench Savant
 
balindamood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: 61 Degrees North
Bikes: www.2nd-cycles.com
Posts: 2,202
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
It is Japanese. The lugs except for the BB are similar to those found on upper end early-mid 80's Univegas, Miyatas and Panasonics, but the BB shell is lower end Japanese found on nearly everything from 1970 to 1990. The fast-back seat stays are interesting, also indicating a higher end bike, but I do recall seeing any mid-80's Japanese bike other than 3Rensho's, etc (this is NOT one of those). The rear dropouts appear to be Suntour GT's. The fork is definately not original. The chromed rear triangle mis-matahced with the non-chromed main tubes also suggest a mid-level concern.

If you held a gun to my head and said 'pick one' I would guess (and really guess) it came outta the Panasonic facility in the early 80's as a mid-level bike. They made bikes for a number of folks, so until you find a sticker under the piles of paint, I do not know. If T-Mar would check in, I would say he may be able to draw someting from the Serial #.
__________________
"Where you come from is gone;
where you are headed weren't never there;
and where you are ain't no good unless you can get away from it."
balindamood is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-09, 12:46 AM   #7
Panthers007
Great State of Varmint
 
Panthers007's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Dante's Third Ring
Bikes:
Posts: 7,479
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
From the angle of the head-tube as compared to the seat-tube's angle, the original fork must have had a rather extreme rake by today's standards. So I'd venture a guess on when this was made - early 1970's.
Panthers007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-09, 12:52 AM   #8
kpug505
Senior Member
 
kpug505's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Puyallup Washington
Bikes: Motobecane Mirage fixed gear, Nashbar Alpha Road 5000, Bianchi Grizzly, Coppi Fiorelli, , Schwinn Trike, , GT All Terra, Old Peugeot, Nishiki 3 speed, Bugatti, Cannondale Black Lightning, Dura All, Bianchi Touring, Bridgestone T700 & more
Posts: 1,847
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I'm claiming Lotus:





Fastback & diamonds...
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by CardiacKid View Post
We don't cotton to people who cut things off their bikes in these here parts.

Check out my bike blog!
kpug505 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-09, 01:16 AM   #9
cudak888 
www.theheadbadge.com
 
cudak888's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern Florida
Bikes: http://www.theheadbadge.com
Posts: 22,744
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
That's one heck of a nice touring fork. Let me know if you ever decide to part with it.

-Kurt
__________________
cudak888 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-09, 01:23 AM   #10
kpug505
Senior Member
 
kpug505's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Puyallup Washington
Bikes: Motobecane Mirage fixed gear, Nashbar Alpha Road 5000, Bianchi Grizzly, Coppi Fiorelli, , Schwinn Trike, , GT All Terra, Old Peugeot, Nishiki 3 speed, Bugatti, Cannondale Black Lightning, Dura All, Bianchi Touring, Bridgestone T700 & more
Posts: 1,847
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
That's one heck of a nice touring fork. Let me know if you ever decide to part with it.

-Kurt
I was gonna say the same thing...The crown, reinforcement tangs and dual eyelets....Can't tell if it has half rack mounts but either way.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by CardiacKid View Post
We don't cotton to people who cut things off their bikes in these here parts.

Check out my bike blog!
kpug505 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-09, 01:49 AM   #11
Antipodes
Who cares, just ride it!
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Melbourne
Bikes: 1992ish Davidson Impulse, 1981 Apollo Gran Sport SS, 2006 Salsa Las Cruces, 2010 Soma Double Cross
Posts: 989
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by pacifico View Post
Like you said, I doubt that the fork is original - it has canti bosses for one, and there are none on the seat stays. Looks like a pretty decently built frame, but unfortunately I can't shed any light on the manufacturer. The Shimano dropouts and diamond cut in the lugs make me think Japanese.

edit: Maybe a Univega or Miyata, or Apollo?
Definitely not any of these three. Serial number (and positioning in the case of Apollo), lugwork, seatstay arrangement is wrong.
It is definitely Japanese with the 26.8 seatpost. My bet is on one of the other big manufacturers such as Panasonic, Centurion, or even something like a Lotus as someone suggested.
Antipodes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-09, 07:15 AM   #12
notoriousDUG
Newbie
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 3
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
That's one heck of a nice touring fork. Let me know if you ever decide to part with it.

-Kurt
The fork is, sadly, bent up a bit it just does not show in the pictures.
notoriousDUG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-09, 06:35 PM   #13
velomateo
Senior Member
 
velomateo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: California
Bikes: Colnago C40 World Champion-Mapei, Team Saturn GT, Serotta Speciale, Raliegh Beater
Posts: 520
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Looks very much like a Univega Competizione, though the fast back is slightly different. Possibly a later model than the one I sold, since the cables are routed under the BB.

velomateo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-09, 07:26 PM   #14
unworthy1
Stop reading my posts!
 
unworthy1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Bikes:
Posts: 9,343
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 67 Post(s)
I was going to vote "Univega/Miyata" based on the lugs, but that was before I saw the Lotus pic...however NONE of these has exactly the same fastback treatment...close, but that only counts in horseshoes. T-Mar would nail it based on the serial number, if only he'd answer... "Commissioner: use the Bat-signal on those gathering storm clouds!"
unworthy1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:18 PM.