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Old 01-27-09, 09:29 AM   #1
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The Noob wants to know what he's got.

I bought this bike at a yard sale two years ago. I've gotten my ten bucks out of it but that's about it. I want to know how good of a frame it is. I would like to refurbish it to sell but I don't want to over do it. If it's a Pinto I don't want to fit it with Cadillac parts and vice versa. All of the decals were gone when I got it, I bought it because it was so cheap. By the time I got around to changing the tires I couldn't read the gum sidewalls. I put some 27" xmart tires on it but they are too large and won't stay on it. How can I tell what size a wheel is with no side wall to read.

This bike is missing the front derailer, the frame has no marks from having one. The rear shifter is mounted to the stem and there is no sign that there was a front shifter. The bottom bracket has a guide for a front cable, but the downtube doesn't. The rear derailer is a Shimano RS. The rear hub says 'Sunstar'. The front hub says 'Mallard' 'Made In France'. The BB has a 'J' stamped on it. The brakes are Weinmann and the cranks say 'Custom'. Can anyone tell what it is?







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Old 01-27-09, 10:04 AM   #2
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Old 01-27-09, 10:06 AM   #3
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'80s campus bike. Reference points follow: stamped dropouts, fat lugs to hide possible lack of mitering on gas-pipe tubing, chainstay bridge that doubles as a kickstand mount, alloy crank with non-removable chainrings and plastic bash guard, cheap side-pull brakes, non-maintainable platform pedals, Fix it up, ride the snot out of it, but don't put a lot of money into it.

Spend some time getting to know some of the fine and mid-level bikes by looking at the websites referenced by this group--vintagevelos.com, the Masi registry, and the sites of the old builders who are still at it--Cinelli, Gios, Colnago, Sachs, Serotta, Schwinn, etc. You can also search for images of many of the bikes referenced here. The differences will become obvious.
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Old 01-27-09, 10:29 AM   #4
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The bash gaurd is aluminum and it is actually the spider as well. It is stepped on the inside for the two rings they appear to be steel. They are riveted on.

How can I measure the wheels to fit them with the proper tires. I want to put new rubber on it and sell it, as a campus bike. I can probably get sixty for it on craigslist, because of the high demand for campus transportation here. I think I will have to tweak the rear wheel a little, but it shouldn't be a problem, the cog side doesn't seem to have enough tension on any of the spokes and its a little warped.
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Look very closely at the rims, usually close to where the valve stem hole is, often one spoke gap away from the valve stem hole, there is often the wheel size stamped into the metal of the rim.

This page has a lot of info on it about tire and rim sizes:
http://sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html

And this page shows/tells how to measure a rim that has no markings:
http://sheldonbrown.com/rim-sizing.html
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Awesome info tree. Luckily the rim with no tire is stamped and it turns out you can read the ghost lettering on the gum sidewall of the front with a flashlight. The rear rim is an ARAYA 27 x 1 1/4. The front tire says it is that size as well although the rim appears to be more narrow. At least now I know what will work on it. That sheldonbrown knows a lot of stuff, I hope the CIA or Walmart doesn't find out.
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Sadly Sheldon Brown passed away last year, I'm sure that the staff at Harris Cyclery will keep their data alive and well.

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That is sad, I hope his data lives on as well. It does come up almost everytime you google bicycle stuff. I'll have to take the time to save myself a copy of his site, just in case.
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It's a Pinto. If you got new tires, new grips, cleaned all the rust off and taped a $10 bill to the handlbars, you could probably get $25 for it. On the other hand, if you stripped it down, put on a rattlecan paint job, converted it to a fixed gear and sent it to Austin, you could probaly sell it for $300.
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I would donate it to your favorite charity and not put a dollar into it. Too many defects, and the value is not there to support addressing the defects.

You are better off finding a cromoly framed bike, with alloy rims, as a starting point. Then go from there.

Start shopping the garage sales again. Thats your best bet.
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I plan to sell it. I'm confident that I can get around $50 for it if I scrub it down and tune it up and throw some tires that fit on it.
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Just don't spend $50 getting it into shape. Usually, rubber, cables, brake pads, and handlebar tape or grips alone will break the budget.
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I plan to sell it. I'm confident that I can get around $50 for it if I scrub it down and tune it up and throw some tires that fit on it.
I tend to completely go through any bike I sell. So I would have to put new grips on it, tires, tubes, a front DR, a shift lever, all new cables, clean up the chain, replace bearings, etc. That would blow the budget, as complete I could get maybe $50 to $75 max for it. So I would be upside down on it. For that reason, I just donate them instead.
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+1, Repairs usually cost about 30-70 dollars depending on how bad the bike is. Even cheap tires will cost around 24.00 for a pair, plus about 10.00 for tubes. On top of that, my lbs charges 14.00 to true wheels. Also, buying any tools you don't have can add a quite a bit to the cost. I agree not to sink money into this bike, I learned the hard way (sinking money into a worthless bike). You could give it a spit shine and try selling it "as is" for a small amount of money.
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I found a pair of tires, tubes, and strips for $23 shipped. I should look at some cheap brake pads. I can probably find the for less than $5. Then cables and housings for about $10. I should just slightly be able to turn a bit of profit. Just enough to justify playing around with it. Maybe I'll just pull the cables out and grease them and put them back in. Okay, Okay, y'all are right. I'll just put the tires on it and off to craigslist it goes. Everything that is on it does work fine. I put about 200 miles on it in my neighborhood before the tires gave out.
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For that bike a set of Walmart cables and housing (I think about $6.00) should be good enough.
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